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JaseNZ

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#222758 27-Aug-2017 21:59

I am so sick and tired of all parties saying they are going to do this and that just before an election is really pis*es me off. I think there should be a total ban at least 6 months out from an election of announcing new expenditure.

Trying to win votes by saying you are going to spend this or that is a complete sham it just makes me feel so grrrrrrrr.

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#1853512 27-Aug-2017 22:24

That would effectively mean we had a 2.5 year Parliamentary term, it is already too short at 3 years. The process of Government cannot stop just because there is an election due.

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#1853513 27-Aug-2017 22:28

I have to agree with this. Tried to do some research on what policies National and Labour are offering. Big gaps on both of their websites due to upcoming policy announcements.

Another thing that annoys me is political parties making generalist promises. Things like "we will reduce unemployment" or "make houses more affordable". Sure they sound good on the surface, but without knowing how they purpose to do such things. How are you supposed to judge if those promises are achievable? Or if they even have any ability to achieve them.

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#1853517 27-Aug-2017 22:56

MikeB4: That would effectively mean we had a 2.5 year Parliamentary term, it is already too short at 3 years. The process of Government cannot stop just because there is an election due.

Not trying to shorten it at all, if they can be announcing this stuff just before the election why can't it be in place before the election. Just gets me these things can be offered now but not delivered before.

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#1853611 28-Aug-2017 08:45

For the opposition parties they don't have access to the full details of the country's finances until Treasury releases the Pre-Election Fiscal Update. So they can't do the true and accurate costings etc until then. Also six months can be a very long time, it removes the ability to formulate policy in response to newly revealed data or issues arising either here or overseas. Finally there is a marketing aspect of a staged announcing of policy during the campaign to get people talking about the issues you want when you want during the campaign.

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#1853778 28-Aug-2017 10:07

This got totally farcical in my view with the policy National released in the weekend promising all school kids the opportunity to learn a second language. How's that for a policy aimed directly at the middle class "heartland"?

Seriously, we have SO many other education-related issues that could do with better funding, and this is where they promise to stick additional money?!

First off, how about we look at trying to get more NZers to be able to write and communicate in English before worrying about second languages? Some ridiculously high proportion of prisoners in NZ have significant literacy and numeracy issues - as a country we need to be tackling this (and with kids as well as adults). And, of course, the wider social issues that relate to this.

English bleats on about 'evidence-based policy' and an investment-based approach all the time, yet his party continues to offer such sweeteners that do little if anything to address the truly fundamental issues that NZ is facing. Surely early intervention in things like L&N would pay HUGE dividends over time, whether it be reducing the prison muster or, heaven forbid, improve economic growth?

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#1853876 28-Aug-2017 10:55

This is election time....same every three years. Get used to it.

MMP means whatever policies are announced may never be implemented due to post election government forming.

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#1853887 28-Aug-2017 11:00

What is the point of policy announcements if everyone knows they will never happen?

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#1853895 28-Aug-2017 11:09

Rikkitic:

What is the point of policy announcements if everyone knows they will never happen?

That is the good question. Guess its all about trust and past records.

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#1854148 28-Aug-2017 15:15

jonathan18:

This got totally farcical in my view with the policy National released in the weekend promising all school kids the opportunity to learn a second language. How's that for a policy aimed directly at the middle class "heartland"?

Seriously, we have SO many other education-related issues that could do with better funding, and this is where they promise to stick additional money?!

First off, how about we look at trying to get more NZers to be able to write and communicate in English before worrying about second languages? Some ridiculously high proportion of prisoners in NZ have significant literacy and numeracy issues - as a country we need to be tackling this (and with kids as well as adults). And, of course, the wider social issues that relate to this.

English bleats on about 'evidence-based policy' and an investment-based approach all the time, yet his party continues to offer such sweeteners that do little if anything to address the truly fundamental issues that NZ is facing. Surely early intervention in things like L&N would pay HUGE dividends over time, whether it be reducing the prison muster or, heaven forbid, improve economic growth?

Fully agree

Perhaps the Millions of dollars promised could be used to feed some of the hungry kids instead of teaching a second language. I am very interested to see how they can implement this Eg One Student wants to learn Te Reo and one wants to learn Mandarin????? How is this going to work I do support the improving Maths which has dropped of since they removed advisors in this subject as well as advisors for other subjects (science, arts etc)

It also rather strange that Labour wants to introduce a water tax which they want to discuss with interested parties and many complain about such a policy and want to know details before the election but National can suggest an education policy which they are not sure how it is going to work. I am waiting for the howls of protest from those who complained about the Labour Policies

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#1854965 29-Aug-2017 21:53

Arggg National first veto parental leave and now they are announcing they are going to extend it. Vote grabbing at its finest to me this is a bad look and not a good look at all.

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#1855013 29-Aug-2017 23:11

Pumpedd:

Rikkitic:

What is the point of policy announcements if everyone knows they will never happen?

That is the good question. Guess its all about trust and past records.

Good lord - you're right.

Just talked me out of voting on policy - think I'll cast my vote for the candidate I can imagine myself having a beer with.
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