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Topic # 222911 3-Sep-2017 15:33
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I generally argue for progressive ideas. I support environmentalism and social welfare. I do not like some National policies and I am not impressed by some National ministers. One minister I am particularly unimpressed with is Nick Smith. I don't think he is especially competent and I don't think he does a very good job. 


Having said that, there is absolutely no justification whatsoever for the way he (and apparently his family) were treated in Nelson by a couple of fanatical morons protesting pest control poison drops. There seems to be a hard-core group of people opposing the poisonings who have lost all sense of self-control and think their cause entitles them to do anything they like, however extreme and over the top. Someone even rubbed rat poison into the minister's face!


I believe in civil disobedience as a legitimate form of protest but this kind of outrageous crap has nothing to do with that and it certainly does nothing to help the cause being being demonstrated over. I find it disgusting and despicable. This is not how one human being behaves towards another. Civil disobedience is passive and non-violent. This is assault. Nick Smith and his family deserve a fulsome apology. The self-important creeps who think they are entitled to do this kind of thing belong in jail and I hope that's where they end up. This is not protest. It is hooliganism and it doesn't have a place in New Zealand society. 



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  Reply # 1857716 3-Sep-2017 19:54
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I don't understand why you make a rant in this way. You start your post describing your politics and your dislike for Smith in order to get your point across. Its in bad taste imo.


Be much more effective to just say how pathetic it was what the demonstrators did to Smith and his family, regardless of who they are. Smith isnt even the Conservation Minister!!


This could be seen as attempted poisoning and get a jail sentence, which I hope happens, regardless of who the recipient was or what my political persuasion is.

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  Reply # 1857726 3-Sep-2017 20:38
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While the poster may not like the mentioned member he is entitled to his opinion> His main message is about the length some people will go to, to get their message across


This action of the protesters  is disgusting and it shows how divided our country is becoming. 


We now have a minister who is suggesting the human rights of gangs should be changed.  I do not support gang culture and realise action must be taken but locking them in jail has not proved to be successful. We need to look for other answers. I would suggest that many of the members in gangs are looking for love and security which they have not had in their early lives. We need to address this problem first.We need to make sure the next generation of children are given this love and security Look at successful families and see the time they spend with their children unfortunately many of those lees fortunate than us (middle income) are struggling to survive and in many cases cant afford take their children to activities that many of us do. The expense is way beyond their incomes. (yes I know many communities have parks and playgrounds) But children need a wide variety avtivites and many are way beyond the incomes of the lower socio-economic group. I could go on and on  but I hope the message is getting through. Children need love and security and there will be less chance of them drifting into these unfortunate groups. Quote " the more time you spend with your children when they are young the less they will need you as they mature"


These are not the only people dealing in drugs and committing serious crime. Some are living in lifestyles that most of us will never achieve.  Are we going to remove the human rights of these. While we all agree we need to address these serious problems, Human rights must never be adjusted to suit even the majority of our society. Where will this end. 


The justice system we have which may not be perfect deals with most serious criminals fairly well with exceptions. Change the law if necessary but make sure it applies to all not just to gangs.


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  Reply # 1857727 3-Sep-2017 20:38
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I wasn't trying to denigrate Smith in any way. I was trying to express my outrage at the idiots who attacked him. I started the way I did to make clear that my outrage did not stem from any liking or support of Smith, but purely from disgust at the act. What the demonstrators did was pathetic and they do belong in jail. I think you are misunderstanding what I was trying to say, or I didn't say it very well. Some things are just wrong, regardless of the target. This was one of them.



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  Reply # 1857861 4-Sep-2017 09:12
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I agree with their cause I absolutely disagree with their actions.

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  Reply # 1858266 4-Sep-2017 16:20
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This is more like it. Crass, maybe, but it makes a powerful point and does it with humour and without hurting anyone.



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