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Topic # 223205 19-Sep-2017 10:13
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Poor Leadership Lies and cover ups
Bill English: Lies(Todd Barclay) Rental house claim, cover up for Murray M, Steven Joyce only one who is right, Paula Bennet not strong enough to reprimand these people. Might have been a reasonable Finance Minister time will tell. Took debt from 5 Billion to 40+ billion (figures vary) Introduce GST increase without mandate
Paula Bennet: (I didn’t deliberately solo mum benefit) released private details of 2 benefit people, wrote a letter to the courts supporting a vicious criminal who had a relationship with her daughter. Misled JK over these letters. Human rights some people have none.
Steven Joyce: ( I am the only one who is right) dropped out of university ( failed economic papers) now his party is going on about free education and what happens to those who abuse the system and drop out.
Murray McCully lied about seeking legal advice on sheep deal
Nick Smith Jonathan Coleman both have got the backs up of many NZers.
Pike river cover up (letter offering robot entry denied now say they will have possible by the end of the year) Videos must been known about.
What ever party gets elected if they keep all their promises we should all benefit but from above you can see I don’t trust national.


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  Reply # 1868446 19-Sep-2017 10:42
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lol


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  Reply # 1868469 19-Sep-2017 11:38
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Let's vote in Labour for 3 terms and see what happens. Lies and cover-ups? You betcha! That's what happens in politics.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1868474 19-Sep-2017 11:45
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I came close to voting for Labour, I like Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson, I also like some of their policies, however when I looked deeper into their policies I had my doubts and when I looked at the remainder of their candidates there simply isn't a lot to offer after Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson. I voted last weekend and voted National





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  Reply # 1868477 19-Sep-2017 11:47
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I voted for the Greens


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  Reply # 1868485 19-Sep-2017 11:54
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Still undecided a bit. Been National my whole life. 

 

Beginning to see through the Jacinda effect a bit. Just wish National looked after health better, so the little guy wasnt effected so much. We are 10 years behind Australia now just for some drugs, and waiting times for cancer treatment have grown into several months now in a lot of cases. Not good enough.


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  Reply # 1868489 19-Sep-2017 12:02
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The "jacinda affect' has worn off.

 

Her stardust has now turned to dandruff.

 

I'm predicting a similar election result to what we saw in 2008. National about 10% above labour. based on the last election results thats a great improvement for labour. Jacinda can now work at making a name for herself over the next few years and possibly take labour into government in 2020.


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  Reply # 1868496 19-Sep-2017 12:17
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Wiggum:

 

The "jacinda affect' has worn off.

 

Her stardust has now turned to dandruff.

 

I'm predicting a similar election result to what we saw in 2008. National about 10% above labour. based on the last election results thats a great improvement for labour. Jacinda can now work at making a name for herself over the next few years and possibly take labour into government in 2020.

 

 

I believe Jacinda will be a good leader, she just needs some experience in opposition. Traditionally labour MP's need a lot of discipline which will test Jacinda. She isn't a Helen Clark yet, but maybe given time.


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  Reply # 1868507 19-Sep-2017 12:37
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Pumpedd:

 

Still undecided a bit. Been National my whole life. 

 

Beginning to see through the Jacinda effect a bit. Just wish National looked after health better, so the little guy wasnt effected so much. We are 10 years behind Australia now just for some drugs, and waiting times for cancer treatment have grown into several months now in a lot of cases. Not good enough.

 

 

This seems to be a common perception that has little basis in reality.  Of course you can always pull out the worst stats and claim "it's not good enough"...  equally, National can point to their headline stats and claim that've done a stand-up job.

 

The reality tends to be far less "extreme" than the headlines.

 

On a purely "fiscal" basis, as has been covered in another thread, National have increased health funding at a rate greater than inflation and greater than population increase combined.

 

From an outcome-based standpoint (as related by someone "at the coal-face") I'd highly recommend reading this account from a practicing doctor. [Note - this is hosted on the Whaleoil website which can be off-putting for some people. I'd recommend adopting a "Don't shoot the messenger" mindset here and consider the content rather than the publisher] 


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  Reply # 1868511 19-Sep-2017 12:41
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Not sure yet. If the polls have them close to even, would that not make Labour the winner as they have the Greens, and Peters must go Labour I feel. He wore a red shirt or tie the other day, he's been quiet, I feel he can get more done under Labour, and in an easier way. 

 

Re OP, you get all this dirty laundry in politics. 

 

Is housing, health and clean waterways important or not, thats what it comes down to. The day to day running of the place, either can do.


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  Reply # 1868514 19-Sep-2017 12:44
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Pumpedd:

 

Still undecided a bit. Been National my whole life. 

 

Beginning to see through the Jacinda effect a bit. Just wish National looked after health better, so the little guy wasnt effected so much. We are 10 years behind Australia now just for some drugs, and waiting times for cancer treatment have grown into several months now in a lot of cases. Not good enough.

 

 

This seems to be a common perception that has little basis in reality.  Of course you can always pull out the worst stats and claim "it's not good enough"...  equally, National can point to their headline stats and claim that've done a stand-up job.

 

The reality tends to be far less "extreme" than the headlines.

 

On a purely "fiscal" basis, as has been covered in another thread, National have increased health funding at a rate greater than inflation and greater than population increase combined.

 

From an outcome-based standpoint (as related by someone "at the coal-face") I'd highly recommend reading this account from a practicing doctor. [Note - this is hosted on the Whaleoil website which can be off-putting for some people. I'd recommend adopting a "Don't shoot the messenger" mindset here and consider the content rather than the publisher] 

 

 

IIRC they gave  a lot to health in the last budget, moist of which was a pay catchup for aged care workers, the test is still way underfunded. Once that is corrected, then meeting inflation is fine, but it needs to be corrected first. 


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  Reply # 1868528 19-Sep-2017 13:07
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Pumpedd:

 

 

 

I believe Jacinda will be a good leader, she just needs some experience in opposition. Traditionally labour MP's need a lot of discipline which will test Jacinda. She isn't a Helen Clark yet, but maybe given time.

 

 

This I agree with.  I see JA as a future leader of huge potential, who l admire in some ways.  She is very likeable and highly marketable.

 

But I don't vote for people just because they seem nice.  I vote for competence.  I'm OK with boring in MPs and pilots. 

 

Jacinda is not ready.  She lacks executive experience (inside of govt or out) and doesn't have a well developed plan (hasn't had time to draw one up).

 

Whomever wins I think will lose the 2020 election.  National because it would be a 5th term. Labour because they cannot deliver on the expectations they are creating.

 

If elected for one more term National has nothing to lose.  But a one term govt would be an utter disaster for Labour.





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Pumpedd:

 

 

 

I believe Jacinda will be a good leader, she just needs some experience in opposition. Traditionally labour MP's need a lot of discipline which will test Jacinda. She isn't a Helen Clark yet, but maybe given time.

 

 

This I agree with.  I see JA as a future leader of huge potential, who l admire in some ways.  She is very likeable and highly marketable.

 

But I don't vote for people just because they seem nice.  I vote for competence.  I'm OK with boring in MPs and pilots. 

 

Jacinda is not ready.  She lacks executive experience (inside of govt or out) and doesn't have a well developed plan (hasn't had time to draw one up).

 

Whomever wins I think will lose the 2020 election.  National because it would be a 5th term. Labour because they cannot deliver on the expectations they are creating.

 

If elected for one more term National has nothing to lose.  But a one term govt would be an utter disaster for Labour.

 

 

Or, as there is now has to be a lot of catchup spending, and the books already show that surpluses are forecast to drop off as well, the books won't be in great shape, no matter who wins


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  Reply # 1868534 19-Sep-2017 13:23
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If this thread was titled 'who didn't vote for National' I would be able to participate. I cast my vote today, and I voted the way I said I would, party vote Greens, electorate vote Labour (I voted for the Labour candidate to keep the National one out). I try to be fair-minded but National just isn't my cup of tea, regardless of who is buying.

 

 





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  Reply # 1868536 19-Sep-2017 13:29
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When is the next poll?


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  Reply # 1868541 19-Sep-2017 13:32
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Saw Nicky Wagner on a street corner on Sunday. Waving away, got my wave. Putting in the yards, good on her. Megan Woods was down the road doing her thing too. I often see signs saying they will be here at 2pm, down the road at 2-30pm etc, cant recall noticing that in recent years  


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