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Topic # 223907 23-Oct-2017 21:28
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Without wanting to sound too tinfoil hatty - was national behind the leak that made metiria turei go public on her historic MSD fraud?

 

Facts: we know national fight dirty. a whole book has been written on it recently. 

 

Supposition: we know winston peters accused national of the leak behind his MSD information.

 

lets put 2 and 2 together. Both sources of information would have come from MSD. Both sources of information we aimed at labour's potential partners.

 

 

 

I would have thought auditing would be available to find out who has been accessing who's files. Is there anyone with relevant IT knowledge who can comment on the level of auditing commonly available in this kind of system?

 

Can an IT insider , say a database developer, directly query the DB tables without leaving a trail, if they know what they are doing?


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  Reply # 1888347 24-Oct-2017 08:44
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Without knowing too much about the specifics of MSD's systems all we can really say is "Maybe". Any of that might be possible.




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  Reply # 1888377 24-Oct-2017 09:29
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I've been mulling it over and I realised if it was a hostile insider who leaked it, it would be unlikely to reveal it to the victim first.

 

The dirty politics playbook would say leak it to the press without prior warning to watch the victim backpedal.

 

Maybe the leaks are not related. I would still be interested in an IT insider's view.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1888392 24-Oct-2017 09:58
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What difference would it make? She did the crime, she won't do the time, she nearly derailed her party and *still* this day can't see what she did wrong. She has no place in politics in my view.

 

 


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  Reply # 1888439 24-Oct-2017 11:07
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networkn:

 

What difference would it make? She did the crime, she won't do the time, she nearly derailed her party and *still* this day can't see what she did wrong. She has no place in politics in my view.

 

 

 

 

If someone did inappropriately access personal information should they do the time for the crime they committed?

 

 


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  Reply # 1888442 24-Oct-2017 11:08
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Varkk:

 

networkn:

 

What difference would it make? She did the crime, she won't do the time, she nearly derailed her party and *still* this day can't see what she did wrong. She has no place in politics in my view.

 

 

 

 

If someone did inappropriately access personal information should they do the time for the crime they committed?

 

 

 

 

Well, it's an interesting thing. She won't be punished for her crime... Should they be punished for theirs?  (Assuming they did so illegally traditional logic would still say yes, but it would be pretty unfair). If they did, what punishment would you support? 

 

This would have been such a non-event if she had taken a different approach to it than she did. 


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  Reply # 1888464 24-Oct-2017 11:46
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elpenguino:

 

I've been mulling it over and I realised if it was a hostile insider who leaked it, it would be unlikely to reveal it to the victim first.

 

The dirty politics playbook would say leak it to the press without prior warning to watch the victim backpedal.

 

Maybe the leaks are not related. I would still be interested in an IT insider's view.

 

 

Why have you been "mulling" over it?

 

Have you any information at all that we dont have?

 

IMO National wouldnt have done this as they would know it would just backfire. This is something one of Labours cowboys would do like the guy who leaker the stuff about the Aussie MP who was/is a kiwi. 


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  Reply # 1888543 24-Oct-2017 13:32
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While you are at it, were National;
Behind the faking of the moon landings?
The assassination of JFK?
The election of Donald Trump?
Or, North Korea's nuclear program.

This thread goes way beyond just tinfoil hat.

Meteria Turei was the arbiter of her own demise, and nearly took her party with her. There are enough journalists around that will dig and dig on this sort of story to uncover all the 'dirty' secrets.
Maybe the incoming government should audit all MPs, cradle to the present, to make sure there are no more skeletons, such as fraud or illegal drug use, hiding away on either side of the house.

Edit: Oh and don't forget, put some tape over your webcam in case National is spying on you!




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  Reply # 1888547 24-Oct-2017 13:37
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I meant I have mulled it since I posted the thread. The macheavellian game is fascinating, don't you think?

 

I'm hoping for more information from an IT insider - surely there is someone who can speak knowledgably about the 'typical systems' in use by organisations like MSD.

 

Do you think it is completely not possible that the metiria turei leak was a national (or other) insider? When considering backfire, one never knows exactly how the leak will take a life of its' own - for example, the leak about winston peters was brushed off and had little effect.

 

I don't understand your comment about labours cowboys. Are you seriously suggesting labour leaked the metiria turei information when signed up to a MOU with the greens? Being exposed as damaging your allies tends to make them not your allies any more. Such a tactic is very risky as well as self-defeating so I can't see that as realistic.


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  Reply # 1888565 24-Oct-2017 13:45
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elpenguino:

 

 

 

I don't understand your comment about labours cowboys. Are you seriously suggesting labour leaked the metiria turei information when signed up to a MOU with the greens? Being exposed as damaging your allies tends to make them not your allies any more. Such a tactic is very risky as well as self-defeating so I can't see that as realistic.

 

 

Their MOU was a laughable joke and they're obviously being thrown under the bus for the benefit of Winston. Labour moving to the left threatened to consume the Greens too but that didn't stop them at all. 




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  Reply # 1888590 24-Oct-2017 13:50
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Keep on topic, feel free to start a 'greens thrown under the bus thread if you want.


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  Reply # 1888609 24-Oct-2017 14:11
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elpenguino:

Can an IT insider , say a database developer, directly query the DB tables without leaving a trail, if they know what they are doing?



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