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#230531 28-Feb-2018 10:54

The human-weasel experiment gone bad, and former US presidential candidate Ted Cruz compared various Simpsons characters to the conservative Republican political party.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/02/27/ted-cruz-explanation-the-simpsons-homer-bart-marge-maggie-republicans-cpac/

"Ted Cruz said Democrats were the party of Lisa Simpson, and that the GOP was the party of Homer, Bart, Maggie and Marge ... now he's explaining how so.

We got the TX senator Monday at Reagan National Airport in D.C. and asked him to elaborate on the comment he made last week at CPAC, which drew ridicule left and right.

Cruz offers a VERY thorough explanation into why each character -- sans Lisa -- represents Republican values and mirrors the traditional American family. Our question ... he reachin'?

One of the voice actors on the cartoon show clearly thinks so. We got Harry Shearer over the weekend, and he thought Cruz was way out of his element tying conservatism to Springfield."

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MikeAqua

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#1970396 7-Mar-2018 10:09

Love 'em or hate 'em the republican party exists because of a sizeable demographic that is neglected and/or maligned by the other party.

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#1970758 7-Mar-2018 16:06

Two party system must have two parties.

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#1970785 7-Mar-2018 17:29

MikeAqua:

Love 'em or hate 'em the republican party exists because of a sizeable demographic that is neglected and/or maligned by the other party.

Yeah - and many of whom are too damned stupid to realise that the leaders of the Republican Party have propagandised political messages and own enough of the media - to the point that they'll vote directly against their own interests - and play directly into the hands of the "1%".

It's not that a sizeable demographic is actually neglected by the Democrats, it's just that the Republican Party has convinced enough ignorant morons to believe that it's true.

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#1971031 8-Mar-2018 09:06

Fred99:

MikeAqua:

Love 'em or hate 'em the republican party exists because of a sizeable demographic that is neglected and/or maligned by the other party.

Yeah - and many of whom are too damned stupid to realise that the leaders of the Republican Party have propagandised political messages and own enough of the media - to the point that they'll vote directly against their own interests - and play directly into the hands of the "1%".

It's not that a sizeable demographic is actually neglected by the Democrats, it's just that the Republican Party has convinced enough ignorant morons to believe that it's true.

The other big thing is the so called single issue voters. Basically they are so worried that the democrats are going to seize all the guns, make them marry a gay dude or give poor people health care that they will vote R no matter what else is happening.

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#1971033 8-Mar-2018 09:07

Fred99:

It's not that a sizeable demographic is actually neglected by the Democrats, it's just that the Republican Party has convinced enough ignorant morons to believe that it's true.

I don't have dog in this fight. I'm an interested observer. I'm frankly not sure who is the bigger crook out of Trump or the Clintons.

Neglect is subjective term but if you look at things like employment IMO the democrats seem to have neglected blue collar voters. That's how they lost some key swing states.

If that's a misconception on the part of voters then the democrats allowing that misconception to stand is also a form of neglect., or rather taking votes for granted.

It's also worth reading the demographic of who reported voting for Trump in exit polls.

A big chunk of that vote may have been anti-establishment/change for the sake of it, but it wasn't a vote of the ignorant.

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#1971037 8-Mar-2018 09:22

It really surprises me just how much energy is devoted to debating what foreign voters in a foreign country that accounts for a fairly small percentage of NZ trade get up to in their elections.

The fulminating worldwide over Trump etc as if people who do not have voting rights in the USA somehow have the right to have their opinions considered in relation to who gets to run the USA is bizarre.

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#1971039 8-Mar-2018 09:28

MikeAqua:

I'm frankly not sure who is the bigger crook out of Trump or the Clintons.

I'm frankly very sure about that.

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#1971044 8-Mar-2018 09:35

Geektastic:

It really surprises me just how much energy is devoted to debating what foreign voters in a foreign country that accounts for a fairly small percentage of NZ trade get up to in their elections.

Could be something about Trump winding up investment in nuclear weapons, winding down protection for the environment, a rise in far-right influence, a failure to act on real threats to western democracy by Russia, and an attack on the principles of free trade - all of which seem to be global issues considered important by many NZers.

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#1971072 8-Mar-2018 10:16

Fred99:

MikeAqua:

I'm frankly not sure who is the bigger crook out of Trump or the Clintons.

I'm frankly very sure about that.

The way I see it the Clinton's are establishment crooks. Trump is an outsider crook, who hasn't done as good a job of covering his crookery.

All three have been the subject of formal investigation into very serious misconduct.

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#1971093 8-Mar-2018 10:43

Clinton was a crook, I still find it amusing that she lost to Trump

Fred99

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#1971112 8-Mar-2018 11:07

LOL - Snopes etc must be part of the conspiracies.

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#1971253 8-Mar-2018 14:48

Fred99:

Geektastic:

It really surprises me just how much energy is devoted to debating what foreign voters in a foreign country that accounts for a fairly small percentage of NZ trade get up to in their elections.

Could be something about Trump winding up investment in nuclear weapons, winding down protection for the environment, a rise in far-right influence, a failure to act on real threats to western democracy by Russia, and an attack on the principles of free trade - all of which seem to be global issues considered important by many NZers.

It doesn't really matter if you think it's important or not though, does it? It's entirely outside your control.

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#1971574 9-Mar-2018 10:19

Geektastic:

Fred99:

Geektastic:

It really surprises me just how much energy is devoted to debating what foreign voters in a foreign country that accounts for a fairly small percentage of NZ trade get up to in their elections.

Could be something about Trump winding up investment in nuclear weapons, winding down protection for the environment, a rise in far-right influence, a failure to act on real threats to western democracy by Russia, and an attack on the principles of free trade - all of which seem to be global issues considered important by many NZers.

It doesn't really matter if you think it's important or not though, does it? It's entirely outside your control.

A correct response to that runs risk of invoking Godwin's - although there are probably plenty of other examples where remaining silent against tyranny because you thought you were powerless to stop it wasn't the best thing to do.

There are plenty of people who support "Trumpism" (misogyny, racism, populist nationalism) outside the US. Too many in NZ.

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#1973145 12-Mar-2018 12:51

Fred99:

There are plenty of people who support "Trumpism" (misogyny, racism, populist nationalism) outside the US. Too many in NZ.

I sometimes wonder if that kind of portrayal actually galvanises support for Trump.

Would a reasoned demolition of his policies by the leftish leaning media achieve more than the shrill journalism seen to date?

Again, research the demographics of who voted for Trump. Big chunks of reasonable and middle voters. People that should be able to be influenced.

Mike

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