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# 251298 18-Jun-2019 08:23
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As usual, the Russians are trying to interfere in an election, using social media, illicit funding and false news.

After all, it worked in 2016 in the US.

China is doing the same. Its massive and successful interference in Taiwan’s elections shows Beijing is getting into the game in a major way.

Chinese interference is probably happening in New Zealand too.

https://www.engadget.com/2019/06/16/eu-accuses-russia-of-election-interference-campaign/

EU says Russia conducted 'sustained' election interference campaign

It tried to stifle voter turnout in some places.

by Jon Fingas

The European Union already suspected that Russia was trying to disrupt its parliamentary elections through hacks and other online interference, and now it's directly pointing a finger at the country. EU officials have published a report accusing Russia of orchestrating a "continued and sustained" misinformation campaign during the late May election similar to ones the country tried in the US, France and other countries. It used fake stories to "promote extreme views," stoke political tensions and, sometimes, discourage voter turnout.

There was a change in strategy this time around, the EU added. Instead of launching large efforts online, the Russians and the political figures linked to them preferred "smaller-scale," more regional influence campaigns that would be harder to catch.

The report writers credit Facebook, Google, Twitter and others with doing a better job of cracking down on misinformation that could have made Russia's meddling more effective. However, the EU also said that "more needs to be done" on the part of internet giant, including greater transparency for ad hosts and more cooperation with fact checkers. The Union planned to study the effectiveness of an existing Code of Practice and propose further efforts, possibly including regulations, if the current rules weren't deemed adequate.

Russia has historically denied interfering in foreign elections despite evidence to the contrary. It's not always effective, according to past reports, but the EU findings suggest that the country isn't about to give up any time soon.

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  # 2259929 18-Jun-2019 08:37
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Trump will be pleased.

 

And Russia will be pleased to know he won't ring the FBI.

 

Lots of happiness all round.


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  # 2260563 18-Jun-2019 23:33
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ALL the major powers attempt to influence people around the World.

 

They do it by media, funding and other (often nefarious) methods.

 

It would be naive to think they don't.

 

However, I think it is delusional to claim that Russia interfered in the 2016 US elections and got Trump elected.

 

What is your evidence for that?

 

There has been a 2+ year investigation that has not found the evidence.

 

I am no Trump fan. I think he is a terrible president. But, there is no evidence he is favouring Russia. Quite the opposite in fact. US/Russia relations are the worst since the Cold War.

 

As for that Engadget article, it a is a reprint (at least in part) from a Washington Post article by Jon Fingas.

 

He references a fairly short report (apparently for the EU) that actually concludes that the recent EU elections were relatively free of foreign interference.

 

The report hints at Russian attempts to interfere with the elections. But, fails to provide any evidence.

 

It's propaganda really.

 

Claims need evidence!


 
 
 
 




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  # 2260632 19-Jun-2019 07:22
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Trump has provided his own best evidence.

Did you forgot “Russia, if you are listening, I hope that you are able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. I think that you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let’s see if that happens,”

Not only did he get Russian help in 2016, he's unrepentant.

Last Wednesday, Trump said that if a foreign country provided information to him on his political opponents, “Oh, I think I’d want to hear it. … I think I’d take it."

Trump response was serious enough that Federal Election Commission Chairwoman Ellen Weintraub released a statement within hours making clear that candidates for public office may not receive help from foreign powers.

Adding “I would not have thought I needed to say this”

Implying I'm delusional in claiming that Russia interfered is a classic Trump supporter move.

Attack a critic's reputation, then deny the obvious truth.

You even used Trump classic defense move: even if it is wrong, it's not illegal. Besides everyone does it.

What's left? Trump's personal attorney's ,Rudy Giuliani, defense: Even if it's illegal, the president can't be prosecuted?


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  # 2260651 19-Jun-2019 08:33
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JWR:

 

However, I think it is delusional to claim that Russia interfered in the 2016 US elections and got Trump elected.

 

What is your evidence for that?

 

Claims need evidence!

 

 

There's absolutely no doubt that Russians interfered in the 2016 election.

 

"Proving beyond doubt" that interference was the (only) reason got Trump elected isn't ever going to be possible, so it's kind of a pointless debate.

 

There's a Wikipedia page with links to masses of evidence:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

 

Claims that it never happened or that if it happened then it didn't influence the result seem to be confined to being from direct beneficiaries of the interference, renowned liars like Trump and Putin, and conspiracy theorists.


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  # 2262766 23-Jun-2019 07:38
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I have looked at that article.

 

I think it was all propaganda.

 

What part did you think was true?

 

 




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  # 2262770 23-Jun-2019 07:52
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propaganda by who?

Do you think there's no Russian interference in elections?

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