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#275668 3-Sep-2020 01:06

Grant Robertsons responses to Judith Collins made me laugh, particularly around 2:20.

https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=215445

I couldn't really care less what a politicians spouse gets up to (particularly the Prime Ministers, some of the rumours have just been vile), providing it's legal, but that was quite funny.

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#2556095 3-Sep-2020 06:47

I really don't think some MPs want their families and what they do to suddenly become fair game. Parties have a hard enough time screening their own candidates for dodgy backgrounds, if you throw in 120 spouses into the mix then it'd just be non-stop scandal and get pretty boring after a while.

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#2556098 3-Sep-2020 06:54

I don't think most MPs (or most of the public) want that. It's Pandora's box and really just goes straight to hell.

This was quite nicely done without being nasty, like Peters attack on David Seymour/Rachel Morton or some of the truly hideous stuff that gets passed around as "rumours." Collins seemed to see the funny side although I may have misread her eyebrows.

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#2556129 3-Sep-2020 08:48

Politician's partners have the choice. David Wong-Tung made the wrong choice, and deserves having the media crawl all over his politically motivated lunatic fringe conspiracy theory and personal attack memes.

If there was "nothing wrong with doing what he's done" - then he wouldn't have felt the need to shut down his Facebook A/C.

Judith Collins has a history of posting / retweeting fake news stories from untrustworthy far-right sources - that is a measure of character and lack of ability to tell right from wrong - her partner's behaviour is related and relevant.

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#2556274 3-Sep-2020 11:50

Fred99:

Politician's partners have the choice. David Wong-Tung made the wrong choice, and deserves having the media crawl all over his politically motivated lunatic fringe conspiracy theory and personal attack memes.

If there was "nothing wrong with doing what he's done" - then he wouldn't have felt the need to shut down his Facebook A/C.

Judith Collins has a history of posting / retweeting fake news stories from untrustworthy far-right sources - that is a measure of character and lack of ability to tell right from wrong - her partner's behaviour is related and relevant.

I dunno, this implies that you're accountable for things your partner chooses to do that aren't illegal or immoral. Like I say, that would be a step backwards. Sharing crappy 'boomer' political memes on Facebook is low down the list of things that should warrant that sort of change in expectation. I found Collins saying she's never been able to reign him in to be quite a good reply instead of going full Muller and going all over the place on it.

It can get a bit 1950s if you frame in the context of a male MP controlling what his wife can and cannot say.

There's this weird obsession with Gayford on the right and making up rumours about him - to the extent they even got an official police denial. It's dumb when anyone does it, but I really don't think it put anyone who might have been thinking about voting for Judith Collins off voting for Judith Collins.

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#2556304 3-Sep-2020 13:13

GV27:

I dunno, this implies that you're accountable for things your partner chooses to do that aren't illegal or immoral.

No it doesn't. Wong-Tung put himself in the position by indulging in dirty politics of the kind that Collins said she'd not get involved in, that dirty politics always involving another party as "attack dog".

He's fair game - brought it 100% on himself. Collin's response was lame and dishonest, as usual.

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#2556308 3-Sep-2020 13:22

Fred99:

GV27:

I dunno, this implies that you're accountable for things your partner chooses to do that aren't illegal or immoral.

No it doesn't. Wong-Tang put himself in the position by indulging in dirty politics of the kind that Collins said she'd not get involved in, that dirty politics always involving another party as "attack dog"

He's fair game - brought it 100% on himself. Collin's response was lame and dishonest, as usual.

Sharing crappy memes is the weakest definition of dirty politics I think I've ever heard.

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#2556310 3-Sep-2020 13:26

GV27:

Sharing crappy memes is the weakest definition of dirty politics I think I've ever heard.

So you haven't seen what he's been doing.

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#2556674 4-Sep-2020 01:34

Fred99:
GV27:

Sharing crappy memes is the weakest definition of dirty politics I think I've ever heard.

So you haven't seen what he's been doing.

Are you referring to the sulk and unite memes (I'm trying to describe them without being offensive) the faked stuff or something else? This seems to have gone in a fairly dark direction with fake posts being shared as well as real ones.

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#2556697 4-Sep-2020 07:43

Fred99:

GV27:

Sharing crappy memes is the weakest definition of dirty politics I think I've ever heard.

So you haven't seen what he's been doing.

Once I saw people on Twitter cropping other people's posts on his wall to appear as if he'd posted them, I sort of stopped bothering. But then again I find most 'political humour' to be cringe-worthy so I'm probably a poor yardstick for what is and isn't acceptable.

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#2556878 4-Sep-2020 11:22

GV27:

Once I saw people on Twitter cropping other people's posts on his wall to appear as if he'd posted them, I sort of stopped bothering. But then again I find most 'political humour' to be cringe-worthy so I'm probably a poor yardstick for what is and isn't acceptable.

Like raising an eyebrow?

(or maybe "I can't be racist because I'm married to him / he can't be sexist because he's married to me")

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#2556935 4-Sep-2020 12:43

Fred99:

(or maybe "I can't be racist because I'm married to him / he can't be sexist because he's married to me")

For all you know, my wife could be from Singapore...

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#2556941 4-Sep-2020 12:58

GV27:

Fred99:

(or maybe "I can't be racist because I'm married to him / he can't be sexist because he's married to me")

For all you know, my wife could be from Singapore...

Ummm... So what?

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#2563804 14-Sep-2020 14:58

Don't think it's Collins' responsibility to control what her husband does, nor do I think there should be an obligation for an MP to try and control what their partner does. I do think an MP's partner should be a little more aware of their actions and perhaps think twice about things like these.

The actual content of the posts Wong Tung shared was fairly vile IMO.

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#2563831 14-Sep-2020 15:45

Fred99:

GV27:

For all you know, my wife could be from Singapore...

Ummm... So what?

Its a defence once (or twice) used by Don Brash....