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#275726 6-Sep-2020 17:43
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I'm not sure what was up with him this morning.

 

Outside of his bombastic stuff it seemed to me that he was stumbling and stilted in his words. I was left to question whether calling Jack Tame "James" was deliberate or not.

 

I'm not sure if it was a hard night, general tiredness or something else.

 

Jack Tame had a very nice response on Twitter.

 

 

 


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  #2558040 6-Sep-2020 19:52
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Never been a fan of Jack Tame, but not really a fan of Winston either, so...


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  #2558123 6-Sep-2020 22:00
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Peters is a despicable idiot. I for one hope to never have to see him again after this election.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2558130 6-Sep-2020 22:16
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I don't agree with Peters at all politically. I have no desire to return to 1956 economically or socially. He needs to move on to the final.part.of his life.

I do have some sympathy for where he came from, he represented people who had been left behind by the free market and social reforms in the 1980s and 1990s. In many ways he tuned into the same undercurrents that Trump did, just in a different way. I can't stand his race based dog whistling but that group is certainly there in society. It could have been far worse than Winston, Pauline Hanson or Trump are far more extreme manifestations of the same societal problems.

I think he's far from an idiot, on the contrary he's a very clever man.

The interview I was referring to was unusual. Normally he's very eloquent, even when he is delivering complete nonsense. It was quite strange.

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  #2558174 6-Sep-2020 22:31
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I really don't rate his intellect or general ability to think at all. His understanding of the law, for example, is simply consistently appalling -- this being a supposed area of expertise, as he's prone to reminding people. When he's on the losing end of a line of questioning or argument, he resorts to haranguing his interlocutor with rubbish. If you read the judge's decision in his recent lawsuit, it's abundantly obvious that there's simply no logical basis for almost all of his allegations. It's just not good enough for someone in a supposed leadership position to consistently fail to demonstrate any kind of sound argument, even when he's not dog-whistling to his base.

 

He's street smart and politically "clever" in the sense that he knows how to tap into people's emotions. But he's barely had an original or useful idea in his life.

 

 


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  #2558180 7-Sep-2020 00:38
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I find Winston fascinating. He's the least principled and most principled politician of my time. He gave up the chance to potentially lead the National Party and a very cushy ministerial job purely over principle. At the same time he's a total sell out to the horse racing and fishing industries.

 

If you look at what he does, as opposed to the theatre, he does deliver for his constituency when he has the balance of power. He delivered the super gold card, the provincial growth fund, free doctors visits for under 14 year olds and so on. You can argue about the merits of the policies but they are what he ran on and he has come through and delivered them.

 

All the legal stuff is understandable when viewed as political theatre. He's no more a lawyer than I am - he's a politician who went to law school.

 

In many ways his career is a waste of his political talents but he's still a far more interesting figure than the generations of grey men that have passed through parliament during his time. I'll forget all the Bridges, Cullen, Collins and Cunliffe types but I don't think I'll ever forget Winston.


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  #2558200 7-Sep-2020 08:58
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On person once described Winston and NZFirst as taking the votes of the racists and xenophobes etc and delivering the Gold Card and National Super instead of racist policies. We were arguing as to whether he was a net postive of negative in that regard. On the one hand he was giving a voice and platform to those views. But on the other hand he is using their votes to not deliver those sort of policies. Without him there would be a chance a Pauline Hanson type might emerge and deliver on those.


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  #2558221 7-Sep-2020 09:42
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Somehow managed to watch this accidently. Was going to change channel but then it went south and I stuck for a laugh.

 

Peter's can deal with it honestly. If you don't like questions you can't handle, you're not fit for the job honestly. A "good" politician (and as much as I hate this) would have been able to spin a non-answer on fly, not just reverting to attack the man.


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