NZ as a Republic?

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#300604 21-Sep-2022 18:25

The Queen has passed, RIP.

However the expected republic argument has started in the media

Thoughts?

AFAIK NZ is a fully independent country, and that ties to the Commonwealth are custom/tradition and no more

I favour the commonwealth, but I am not a Royalist. Just posing the pro's and con's. I can't think of many pro's to becoming a republic

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#2971125 21-Sep-2022 18:28

Having a republic means we'd need to have a head of state other than the monarch, which would then incur the expense of elections.

And we'd then likely have someone with a political background, which may be divisive.

Like you, I can't see any benefit

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#2971128 21-Sep-2022 18:37

I also can't see any reason to change.

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#2971129 21-Sep-2022 18:37

shk292:

Having a republic means we'd need to have a head of state other than the monarch, which would then incur the expense of elections.

And we'd then likely have someone with a political background, which may be divisive.

Like you, I can't see any benefit

The Head of State would be the PM. She/he already is. The government of the day passes laws, they get signed by the Governor General as a matter of course. GG represents the Monarch. But the GG doesnt ponder over the law, its custom. So effectively the current Government is in control, so the PM is Head of Sate

Now, we could save money by having no GG salary and support costs, we can avoid the two for one Knightships that we seem to have. We can then discard the "Sirs" we have, they can end (if we became a Republic). Statute wise nothing changes. We can have out own awards, O of NZ instead of OBE.

Personally I like the link to the Empire. Over QE II's reign the empire became the Commonwealth as many went independent. NZ is independent. I feel its beneficial to retain links to the mothership

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#2971179 21-Sep-2022 18:55

I want to stay as is!

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#2971212 21-Sep-2022 19:17

I also struggle to see any benefit, other than making a vocal minority feel better.

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#2971213 21-Sep-2022 19:18

The Treaty of Waitangi issues need to resolved before a move to be a republic can be made

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2971217 21-Sep-2022 19:34

Likewise I can't see the benefit. Frankly, there aren't too many great examples of well functioning republics in the world.

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#2971219 21-Sep-2022 19:38

Given the Royals have next to zero power here removing them from our system of government will have no impact. My personal view it is time for Aotearoa to stand as a fully independent nation. It will be one big step away from the colonial horrors.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2971220 21-Sep-2022 19:43

Would be a waste of money. And 0 benefit

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#2971221 21-Sep-2022 19:45

MikeB4: Given the Royals have next to zero power here removing them from our system of government will have no impact. My personal view it is time for Aotearoa to stand as a fully independent nation. It will be one big step away from the colonial horrors.

They have zero power, not next to zero power. I understand the colonial horrors but doesn't that apply to many other countries backgrounds? The way life was in history is not the way it is now. Humans have evolved, and what they had then was their weapons and goals. Admittedly war now is not gone, but thats the human psyche, diluted by democracy.

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#2971222 21-Sep-2022 19:52

Leave it as is, happy to support Charlie

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#2971224 21-Sep-2022 20:00

MikeB4: Given the Royals have next to zero power here removing them from our system of government will have no impact. My personal view it is time for Aotearoa to stand as a fully independent nation. It will be one big step away from the colonial horrors.

That's fine, you go live in Aotearoa, I'll stay in New Zealand.

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#2971226 21-Sep-2022 20:07

@tdgeek the issues and pain caused by the abuse of the Treaty are here and now

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#2971230 21-Sep-2022 20:12

Lias:

That's fine, you go live in Aotearoa, I'll stay in New Zealand.

I feel that's inappropriate and off topic. What we call ourselves is our choice, not the Monarch's, thats the point of this thread. Nor is bypassing our indigenous population who were here before us

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#2971231 21-Sep-2022 20:13

tdgeek: I favour the commonwealth, but I am not a Royalist. Just posing the pro's and con's. I can't think of many pro's to becoming a republic

There are numerous republics in the commonwealth. India is the biggest example I can think of top of mind. Queen definitely is not head of state for India : ). Commonwealth is a free association by choice. Even to the extent any can join.

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