'Something rotten in the state of Denmark'

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#302536 30-Nov-2022 08:21

Apologies to all you Danes out there, but there's something rotten in the old country all right -

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/nov/29/just-stop-oil-activist-sentenced-to-six-months-in-prison-for-motorway-disruption

“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” -John Kenneth Galbraith

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#3003437 30-Nov-2022 08:45

Those people don't have much popular support in the UK.

People caught up in the jams have said they have missed relatives funerals or important hospital appointments. In one demonstration in South London passerbys and motorists dragged them off the road and threw them on the pavement.

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#3003441 30-Nov-2022 08:55

With funding from a Getty Oil Heiress :),

https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/van-gogh-tomato-soup-just-stop-oil-aileen-getty-funder-1234644306/

How in good conscience such a self righteous organisation can accept such tainted money I don't know, but hey whatever rocks their boat...

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#3003446 30-Nov-2022 09:08

They might sometimes bugger things up for some people, but at least they get off their assets and do something, unlike me. And being jailed for the sin of inconveniencing people is just wrong.

“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” -John Kenneth Galbraith

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#3003448 30-Nov-2022 09:10

rb99 hasnt said whether it's the protest or the heavy sentence that's rotten.

Either way, I bet it's annoying to be stuck in traffic or miss an appointment, but I bet it's also annoying to have your island home become submerged twice a day or for your town to be burnt down by a forest fire or for a drought and famine to hit your country.

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#3003452 30-Nov-2022 09:23

Oh no consequences of your own actions.

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#3003454 30-Nov-2022 09:26

Oh, its the sentence. And the making an example of. How is it justice to make an example of, thats inherently unjust.

And there are rail strikes etc going on which apparently have quite a bit of support, but dare to do something about global warming and oil licences still being doled out and cutting insulation programs...

“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” -John Kenneth Galbraith

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#3003506 30-Nov-2022 10:04

This is a fair and just prison sentence. I would have given them a year though. Need to make it a deterrent to stop these criminal eco-terrorists from disrupting society.

The UK is an example of what happens when you don't treat these crimes seriously.

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#3003507 30-Nov-2022 10:11

rb99:

And there are rail strikes etc going on which apparently have quite a bit of support, but dare to do something about global warming and oil licences still being doled out and cutting insulation programs...

What exactly have they 'done about it'?

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#3003509 30-Nov-2022 10:16

They've protested. A small contribution, no doubt, now they're being turned into criminals.

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#3003511 30-Nov-2022 10:17

surfisup1000:

This is a fair and just prison sentence. I would have given them a year though. Need to make it a deterrent to stop these criminal eco-terrorists from disrupting society.

If you don't like protest, you might enjoy living in China or Russia. I hear Iran is nice this time of year.

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#3003514 30-Nov-2022 10:25

surfisup1000:

This is a fair and just prison sentence. I would have given them a year though. Need to make it a deterrent to stop these criminal eco-terrorists from disrupting society.

The UK is an example of what happens when you don't treat these crimes seriously.

The UK is an example of what happens when good people do nothing.

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#3003540 30-Nov-2022 11:59

rb99:

surfisup1000:

This is a fair and just prison sentence. I would have given them a year though. Need to make it a deterrent to stop these criminal eco-terrorists from disrupting society.

The UK is an example of what happens when you don't treat these crimes seriously.

The UK is an example of what happens when good people do nothing.

Bit like here then.

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#3003542 30-Nov-2022 12:06

rb99:

They've protested. A small contribution, no doubt, now they're being turned into criminals.

In the process they've managed to increase emissions, congestion and all the other things they seem to care about.

Unless the argument is you have to crack a few eggs to make a cake, which is fine, but then you have to let the people who are being held up in their ordinary business take the same approach. Fair is fair, right?

At this point, I find people usually do not like the prospect of being man-handled or run over, which tends to suggest actual sacrifice is fine in theory until they might realistically have to make it. So at which point, the question is "well, if you weren't prepared to take the hit, did it really matter than much to you in the first place?".

If the answer is 'no' then you're not looking for a 'right to protest', you're arguing for 'a right to do whatever you want without any consequences at all'.

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#3003608 30-Nov-2022 13:12

No, not right to do whatever you want, and not no consequences at all, just not ridiculous out of proportion consequences.

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#3003612 30-Nov-2022 13:18

This wasn't his first offence. He already had a 2 year conditional discharge which he chose to ignore from a protest last year.

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