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Eitsop

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#305754 1-Jun-2023 22:43
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We hear in news about salaries being not enough for many parts of the economy. and some stories appear quite compelling.. but they are missing key statistics of hours worked and salary paid.. And we don’t know demographic income of certain parts of industry eg farming.. some may suggest some farm workers are on minimum wage, and the farm owner is creaming the profits.. but that is all opinion. 

 

IRD requires employers to supply substantive information on income tax for individuals.. but one key stat that is not passed to IRD, is hours they are paid for.. and in many cases this information is readily available in their systems, just not sent to IRD.

 

If we got hours worked plus job type (title), work location, if the person was a immigrant or NZ citizen, ethnicity, sex, we could have substantive stats that could be published from IRD like

 

     

  • hours worked versus avg hourly rates, hypotheses being people on lower incomes work longer hours
  • average pay & hours worked in parts of country
  • are immigrants filling high paid jobs or low paid jobs in each industry
  • do we have gender wage problem, as we could break down average hourly rate per job type & gender
  • do we have a ethnicity wage problem, as we could break down average hourly rate per job type & ethnicity 

These stats also allow us to see if things improve over time eg gender pay rates.   I would so like to compare my wage to market, but I can't, unless I start applying for jobs and get to the end of the process to see final offer.   


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  #3083679 2-Jun-2023 09:35

Some of that information is within the Quarterly Employment Survey released by stats nz.

 

 

 

  • gender breakdowns
  • FTE's by sector
  • average hourly earnings 

 





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  #3083685 2-Jun-2023 09:50
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Not sure the Stants NZ info is easy to find? have a link?

 

Rather than Stats NZ doing surveys, this data could be a much more live fuller dataset, if IRD was to collect information as part of weekly pay information.

 

It doesn't appear the job breakdowns are great. I am keen to know, teachers, doctors, nurses, cleaners, farm workers, database specialist, 

 

Also it doesn't say say how many hours individuals are working on multiple jobs


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  #3083703 2-Jun-2023 10:31

Eitsop:

 

Not sure the Stants NZ info is easy to find? have a link?

 

Rather than Stats NZ doing surveys, this data could be a much more live fuller dataset, if IRD was to collect information as part of weekly pay information.

 

It doesn't appear the job breakdowns are great. I am keen to know, teachers, doctors, nurses, cleaners, farm workers, database specialist, 

 

Also it doesn't say say how many hours individuals are working on multiple jobs

 

 

https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/labour-market-statistics-march-2023-quarter/

 

 

 

You're correct in the limitations of the data.  For information of individual jobs I've tended to use Seek to get salary information or an HR firm - obviously that costs $$$.

 

Probably better for IRD to deliver flat files based on BIC for Stats to dissect but there will be limitations on the data there too.  And you're asking two fiefdoms to work together for the greater good - with the same benefical owner, and yet they wont.

 

At the end of the day, what problem are you trying to solve that requires significant data collection and analysis that cant be statistically inferred from the QES (which denotes its margins of error so it understands there are approximations in the data).

 

 





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  #3103664 13-Jul-2023 14:47
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IRD doesn't have all the data needed to publish what you want.

 

For instance, they know what I earn, but they don't know how many hours I worked to earn it. So they can publish incomes data, but can't turn this into hourly rates etc. They also don't know my ethnicity or whether or not I'm an immigrant. Nor do they need to - their job, and their only job, is to  make sure that the correct tax is being paid.

 

As Ockel points out, you are better off using the QES for this.

 

 


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  #3103668 13-Jul-2023 15:04
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JimmyH: IRD doesn't have all the data needed to publish what you want.

 

For instance, they know what I earn, but they don't know how many hours I worked to earn it. So they can publish incomes data, but can't turn this into hourly rates etc. They also don't know my ethnicity or whether or not I'm an immigrant. Nor do they need to - their job, and their only job, is to  make sure that the correct tax is being paid.

 

As Ockel points out, you are better off using the QES for this.

 

My point was for businesses to start supplying this info.. as they already supply other info.. and they have the hours.. so could easily supply

 

Rather than using stats surveys. they could get real data, saving survey costs and being more accurate and more detailed 


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