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kingdragonfly

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#323242 10-Nov-2025 19:24
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Someone in the US fighting big brother police state constant surveillance.

In the USA state of Washington, many cities deployed Flock automatic license-plate recognition cameras.

Note these cameras don't just go after speeders, and expired regos.

They are also used for surveillance by immigration control, ICE. This including mostly ordinary law abiding people, of no interest to the police.

Since these are government paid recording devices, a public records request was made for footage/images/data captured by the cameras under their state Public Records Act.

The law defines public records as information prepared, owned, used, or retained by a public agency, in this case automatic license-plate cameras and the police.

A court held the photos taken in public is a public record under Washington’s Public Records, and may be released to a common citizen if requested.

As a result, a court ruled these photos of innocent bystanders captured by a public agency, the police, using automatic license plate reader is subject to public records disclosure.

Don't think it's much better here. NZ Police, NZTA and local council all use automatic license plate reader. Private companies like Auror and SaferCities operate platforms which combine CCTV and ANPR data.

'CCTV is ubiquitous' - Police cleared to tap into private cameras: RNZ

Police have been given the legal clearance to continue tapping into private cameras more than 200,000 times a year for evidence.

In newly released rulings, judges knocked back several legal challenges that had argued that it should be inadmissible to rely on the number-plate-identifying cameras.

One judge said: "Whilst we might all feel uncomfortable by the idea of being watched, the reality of life today is that CCTV is ubiquitous."
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Records show officers tap more 600 times a day into the private company Auror's platform that hosts camera stills and video - amounting 220,000 times last year.
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  #3433047 10-Nov-2025 20:17
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This woman was accused and charged based on really zero evidence. Based on the vehicle she was driving and where she lives I'd assume she was easily able to afford an adequate defence and find character witnesses and win easily, at some cost. Others will not be so fortunate.



Disclosure: I watched only the first five minutes or so.



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  #3434136 13-Nov-2025 16:23
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Well really should have been nothing that much to do with the license plate cameras as such.

 

He never had 'her' on camera, clearly another blond person. 
This idiot had no interest to see her cars video, showing the photo to compare with her.
Or looking at the photo himself to compare with her there. 

 

The main issue was what was going on in the officer's head to act on such 'non evidence'.
Something more to this guy, unprofessional, the whole way he deported himself.

 

He would have already known from camera timestamps most if not all trips were at commute times as per husband's statement.
Nothing unusual given their location and towns location.
The her license photo and crime scene photo not matching anyway.

 

License plate scan a complete nothingburger.
Though an 'electric Rivian' obviously owners would be 'woke people' of bad character. 
Out of towners by a few meters.
If USA movies give an indication, there is a weird xenophobia about people from the next town.

 

If Seinfeld can have a 'show about nothing'
I can have 'an arrest about nothing'

 

Or just arrive with no accusation. 
See its even more clearly than the license photo, its not the person. 
Ask 'politely' to see if the cars had video on day X in case it showed anything to help catch a thief.
Which they could decline, but sounded like people that would have no problem.


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  #3434151 13-Nov-2025 16:53
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The police officer attitude: if you admit you're guilty, I'll show you the evidence now as a courtesy, out of the kindness of my heart.

If say you're innocent then you are lying, I won't who show you the evidence. You can tell it to the judge.

That's coercion violates the US Fifth Amendment, the right against compelled self-incrimination.

Conditioning the viewing of evidence on a confession is classic coercion: the officer is trying to compel the suspect to admit guilt by taking away the ability to rebut or see the evidence. If that pressure led to an admission, a court could find the statement involuntary and suppress it as compelled.

It also doesn't help that he didn't give her her Miranda warnings.

The US cop also ignored due-process/Brady problem for deliberately withholding potentially exculpatory evidence. Police and prosecutors may not deliberately withhold materially exculpatory evidence from a defendant. Refusing to let the suspect show time-stamped truck's video that could clear her undermines a fair investigation and later prosecution.

Sidenote: US law differs on Miranda from UK Police Caution.

US: “You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.”

UK: “You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defense if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court.”

I like the US version better.

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