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anamol
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  #2943299 18-Jul-2022 09:28
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seeby:

 

Hi All

 

I'm the owner / founder of Voyager so I thought I'd chip in.

 

I absolutely hate having to do price increases!

 

 

 

Firstly, we didn't increase our price on all plans. We had a 12 month term price at $79 for 300/100 and Open term was $89. 

 

We simply withdrew the $79 plan and made all plans $89 as we can't make money at $79 and provide a quality service anymore

 

 

 

Voyager has absorbed our rising costs for the last 5 years in a row without passing these onto customers.

 

Every year, Chorus adjusts the price of their fibre tail services upwards according to CPI. Normally it's not a big deal, but this year inflation is running at 6-8%

 

(A $5 increase in chorus cost across 20,000 connections is $100,000 a month!)

 

 

 

In addition, Chorus just unilaterally decided to triple the speeds of the 100/20 plan to 300/100 without consulting ISPs.

 

Now - I'm a fan of speed, so I do support this, but when 100/20 connections were increased, our usage of data to the wider internet went up 14% in a single month - all stuff we have to pay for.

 

So what we did was remove our cheaper plan, make all plans the same, and charge an amount that we can afford to provide full speed and a quality service.

 

 

 

Voyager spends a lot of money having our own network all the way to Australia, and directly peers with approx 700 organisations across a large number of peering exchanges.

 

We do this so that our routes to Asia and the whole internet are as good as possible - we want to be premium

 

Some people won't care about this, and are happy with an ISP that just has a single crappy upstream bandwidth provider, but we try and do a really good job with our peering and connectivity, and it all costs money

 

 

 

Our recently increased pricing is still 95c cheaper than Orcon (my old company) at $89.95 for 300m, and it's likely that a number of the large ISPs will increase prices - so they may even end up higher than us still

 

 

 

I hope that a number of you will continue to support Voyager for what I believe is still the best network, speeds and Helpdesk that money can buy.

 

 

 

PS - We have not launched Chorus new 50mb plan because they only charge $7 less per 50mb port than a 300mb port, however they have mandated that the RRP is no more than $59. $59 is $30 less than our 300mb plan, but the cost to service are nearly identical (apart from the $7 cheaper port). So we can't price a plan $30 cheaper that only costs us $7 less than our main plan to service. A lot of other ISPs are unsure how to proceed with this plan as well.

 

 

 

PPS - Most customers who have had a Voyager price increase had their pricing go up by $10. However some customers have had increases of up to $30 or so if they had very old pricing, and multiple free VOIP services or something. These super cheap plans were customers that we acquired in other companies (HD / Unlimited / Actrix etc), and we never wanted to change or increase pricing as we were afraid of losing people. Unfortunately, having inconsistent pricing is not fair to other customers, and these customers we worked out we were now actually losing money on big time. So we took an opportunity to really standardise our whole customer base on a single price, which is still in line with the other large providers (super cheap providers excluded)

 

 

 

If Chorus wants to start charging us less, then I'm happy to charge customers less, but at the moment, Chorus is 80% of the cost of a Broadband connection, and if they put their prices up, we either have to do the same eventually, or go out of business :-(

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers

 

Seeby Woodhouse

 

Founder - Voyager

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you tell us why it bumped us from the $79 plan to the $109 plan without asking us? That much of a unexpected price rise is sending us elsewhere. 




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  #2943311 18-Jul-2022 09:58
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@anamol have you just come off a contract term?


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  #2943326 18-Jul-2022 10:59
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We had signed up with a different provider and were shunted over to voyager at some point. The line on our bill was

 

Broadband - Fibre
HD Legacy Migration Discount 1 $17.39 CR
Unchained Unlimited Home Broadband (Fibre Max/500) 1 $86.09

 

Amount Due - $79

 

This month

 

Home Fibre Max - Unlimited Data 1 $94.78

 

$94.78

 

Amount Due -  $109. :/




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  #2943328 18-Jul-2022 11:01
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So you were on the $99 plan, just weren't paying $99 for it. That makes sense. It's not ideal, but it explains what happened.


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  #2943388 18-Jul-2022 11:53
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and because you have lost the HD Legacy Migration Discount of $20


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  #2943435 18-Jul-2022 13:44
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quote

 

Can you tell us why it bumped us from the $79 plan to the $109 plan without asking us? That much of a unexpected price rise is sending us elsewhere. 

 

quote

 

 

 

Looks like others have answered your question, but yes, you were migrated with legacy HD pricing some time ago.

 

With the Chorus CPI price increases at wholesale (which we had to pass on, as we see increased costs of $100k/mth or $1.2m/year), we also decided to standardise all pricing for all customers as it's more fair, rather than having a whole lot of legacy plans.

 

Voyager's new Max/500 plan is $109 a month

 

For comparison, Spark (the largest ISP in NZ by far), is $110/mth for the same plan. 

 

So we are $1 cheaper than Spark, and we think that we offer a better service (more bandwidth per customer, more personal support etc)





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  #2943675 19-Jul-2022 10:11
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seeby:

 

Voyager's new Max/500 plan is $109 a month

 

For comparison, Spark (the largest ISP in NZ by far), is $110/mth for the same plan. 

 

So we are $1 cheaper than Spark, and we think that we offer a better service (more bandwidth per customer, more personal support etc)

 

 

Voyager is a great ISP, have used in the past particularly for small businesses, funnily enough used to use Voyager as the ISP + Conversant for voip before you acquired them.

 

However.. from the 29th July Spark's open term max fibre (no phone/landline) is $105 and includes Netflix standard. So you are not cheaper objectively or subjectively (because of the free Netflix with Spark) for residential users.


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  #3121675 29-Aug-2023 18:54
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Well another increase coming 1 October for 300/100, up to $95. In 14 months the prices have gone up almost 19%
Internet is starting to feel like a luxury at this price.

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  #3121693 29-Aug-2023 19:24
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Nate001: Well another increase coming 1 October for 300/100, up to $95. In 14 months the prices have gone up almost 19%
Internet is starting to feel like a luxury at this price.

 

Yep, just got notified about the second price rise.  That's it, we're moving - probably to Skinny, I think.


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  #3121833 30-Aug-2023 11:48
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I've been so happy with Voyager but it's pretty difficult to justify paying $95 for 300/100 compared to $75 with Quic (or $89 for gigabit). Sigh.


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  #3121865 30-Aug-2023 13:05
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Another email today advising of 1.75% surcharge for card payments from 15 Oct. Not sure why it was not included in yesterday's email.


 
 
 

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  #3121873 30-Aug-2023 13:14
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Nate001:

 

Another email today advising of 1.75% surcharge for card payments from 15 Oct. Not sure why it was not included in yesterday's email.

 

 

I'm not impressed with their use of third party tracking links for users to update their payment details. They should have linked directly to the support page.

 

At least the e-mail was DKIM signed by their domain, otherwise I would have been querying it.


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  #3121923 30-Aug-2023 15:18
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I have had no reason to complain about the service delivered, and the price rise in July i thought fair enough.

 

But this 3rd price increase in three months got me looking elsewhere... turns out with Nova, who i have my gas with, I can get Fibre Max for the same price as Fibre300, and i get 10% off daily and unit charges for gas.


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  #3121932 30-Aug-2023 15:41
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Has anyone figured out how to "unlink" the existing credit card? The email says you can pay by direct credit but presumably I won't get an option for that if there's a credit card saved.


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  #3121934 30-Aug-2023 15:46
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dantheperson:

 

I have had no reason to complain about the service delivered, and the price rise in July i thought fair enough.

 

But this 3rd price increase in three months got me looking elsewhere... turns out with Nova, who i have my gas with, I can get Fibre Max for the same price as Fibre300, and i get 10% off daily and unit charges for gas.

 

 

 

 

I really dislike having to bundle services with companies to get a better deal, because when they put up prices or service slips it can be a pain to uncouple those services, espcially if they are trying to lock you into a contract term. 


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