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  #3463645 22-Feb-2026 15:28
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cokemaster:

 

I think the current state of surcharges are undesirable and my gut feel is that many retailers surcharges are excessive and/or poorly advertised. 

 

My personal opinion is that surcharges are 'ok' on the basis that: 

 

  • Retailers must provide a 'fee-free' (eg. the cost of processing the lowest cost payment method should be built into the price) method of payment eg. cash, online eftpos, debit cards/EFTPOS, bank transfers. It must be possible to buy a product at the advertised price. 
  • The surcharges are kept as low as possible and are purely used to offset the cost of processing card costs (and not used to pay for part of a shopping cart product). eg. using lowest cost routing. 
  • Surcharges must disclosed clearly upfront and not just at payment time. 

If the above can be maintained, then surcharges (in my opinion) should stay... if they can't then they should go. 

 

 

 

 

Any reputable retailer will do all of these.

 

Just to reinforce though it is often an unknown what the actual fee to the retailer will be at time of sale. Debit vs credit vs platinum credit vs prezzy style card.

 

i think most of us are doing our best and any surcharge between 1% and 2% likely reflects an average cost, and up to 2.5% for a small retailer. Anything over that - nope.

 

Inserted eftpos and debit should be free as there is no incremental cost.




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  #3463652 22-Feb-2026 16:16
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rugrat:

 

Is debit card payWave less fees then credit card for the merchant on payWave?

 

If so why have I never seen a seperate charge for debit cards on surcharge fees if it just to get costs back?

 

 

Because the cost of processing is not available to the terminal. Its charged by the network. All the terminal can do is have a percentage set to it by what network it goes thru. Even then, we were not able to get a higher one for amex so it was just disabled, it was just a single % for anything that was not eftpos.

 

the CC has outlined how to average the costs out in a way that they find acceptable, which with most of the debit card users opting to insert instead of tap makes the average % actually go up even more.





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  #3463690 22-Feb-2026 19:15
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CokemonZ:

 

Any reputable retailer will do all of these.

 

 

I'm thankful that a number of retailers do and a number of large retailers simply 'eat' the fees, however its the others that let the team down.

 

  • In both New Zealand and Australia, I've seen a variety of surcharge rates, ranging from 0.85% to <b>5%</b> for processing a Visa or Mastercard credit card which I find hard to reconcile (I would expect the blended rate to be around the 1.5-3% for most Visa/Mastercard transactions). 
    A number of the retailers on the high-end tend to use 'all in one' PoS or restaurant solutions.

    When prompted that 5% seems a bit on the nose in one case, the store person just shrugged saying 'the rate is the rate' which resulted in myself not going through with the sale.

  • There are some cafes or restaurants who have gone cashless and their method of ordering is via a QR code/web site... where it is effectively impossible actually purchase a meal at the advertised rate as they put surcharges, 'platform fees' and have the balls to prompt you for a 10% tip by default too. 

There seems to be a little bit of apathy with some merchants which leads me to believe that either A. having some skin in the game by paying a portion of the surcharge, or B.  mandating lower cost routing might lead to better outcomes.

 

 





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  #3463691 22-Feb-2026 19:27
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cokemaster:

 

Any reputable retailer will do all of these.

 

 

 

  • There are some cafes or restaurants who have gone cashless and their method of ordering is via a QR code/web site... where it is effectively impossible actually purchase a meal at the advertised rate as they put surcharges, 'platform fees' and have the balls to prompt you for a 10% tip by default too. 

 

That’s not a problem unique to NZ. I absolutely refuse to pay these nonsense fees and make them bring me another way to pay. I’m also incredibly blunt about what  crappy practice it is  

 

If they refuse in NZ and make you pay with an extra charge they are in breach of the fair trading act.  


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  #3465356 27-Feb-2026 10:12
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I saw this on another thread elsewhere and thought it appropriate to this thread. 

It's the perspective of a person in the industry (payments) and I tend to agree with the sentiment. 

Merchant fees are a standard business overhead and should be accounted for as part of a business’s operational costs.

 

Merchants should treat these fees in the same way they account for other expenses, such as electricity.
They receive monthly merchant statements that outline the fees charged for this service.
If a business is not currently accounting for these fees, or is relying on surcharging, it’s important that they address this and ensure the costs are being managed appropriately.





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  #3465360 27-Feb-2026 10:27
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Except it's not a business overhead. Its a cost of that particular sale. Same as if there was a commission payable to an agent or similar.

 

Terminal rental is the one that is like an expense.





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  #3465374 27-Feb-2026 11:01
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richms:

 

Except it's not a business overhead. Its a cost of that particular sale. Same as if there was a commission payable to an agent or similar.

 

Terminal rental is the one that is like an expense.

 


Couldn't disagree more

 

 





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  #3465379 27-Feb-2026 11:23
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Handsomedan:

 

richms:

 

Except it's not a business overhead. Its a cost of that particular sale. Same as if there was a commission payable to an agent or similar.

 

Terminal rental is the one that is like an expense.

 

 


Couldn't disagree more

 

 

Although they are charged for different reasons, card surcharges and retailer collection of GST are similar - both are transaction-related pass-through charges that shouldn’t be regarded as overheads. (Except for the case of Lotto sales where GST is not explicitly collected).

 

 





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  #3465383 27-Feb-2026 11:54
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richms:

 

Except it's not a business overhead. Its a cost of that particular sale. Same as if there was a commission payable to an agent or similar.

 

 

And turning on the heat in Winter is also an extra  expense that can be tagged to certain sales, but I've yet to see any shops ask for extra  on the price between June and September...


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  #3465390 27-Feb-2026 12:31
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richms:

 

Except it's not a business overhead. Its a cost of that particular sale. Same as if there was a commission payable to an agent or similar.

 

Terminal rental is the one that is like an expense.

 

 

 

 

Agree 100%. It's no different a retailer charging more for a delivery to Timbuktu than one to next door. 

 

 

 

Seems like there are two opposite points of view on this... 


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  #3465393 27-Feb-2026 12:52
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cddt:

 

Agree 100%. It's no different a retailer charging more for a delivery to Timbuktu than one to next door. 

 

Seems like there are two opposite points of view on this... 

 

 

Rural dwellers complaining about the surcharge for the rural ticket that the NZ post checker says we need when they tell us that if we don't put it on then it will come by the courier and not the rural delivery guy. Yeah, sure. Its not you that gets the additional charge on your courier account for under ticketing things if we leave it off. That is another valid charge for a higher cost of sale to them. Not many people think that one should be free because of the customers choice of delivery address. Customers choice of payment method has additional costs too.





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  #3465729 28-Feb-2026 21:00
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mudguard:

 

I suspect we'll see cash handling fees in the future. 

 

 

Meanwhile I've just been to a restaurant that gave a 5% discount for paying with cash.


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  #3465733 28-Feb-2026 21:25
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That's because they probably just pocket it or use it to pay staff that are under the table.





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  #3465802 1-Mar-2026 13:28
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I had a funny one yesterday. The chip on my card is broken. I tried cleaning it, but it no longer works and the card still has over two years on it.  I tested at second place and found same thing ICC read error. I was at the place all day as had an event there, so since there all day took card instead of cash.

 

The swipe part works, but have to insert card and have it fail before the swipe method and guessing that is less secure.

 

The bar got frustrated with how long it was taking each time I brought a drink (non alcoholic), so ended up getting drink for free as it sometimes took more than one swipe and having to insert card. I didn’t use payWave because they want an extra 2.5%.

 

If I take it to bank, guessing they’ll issue new card with different number and I’ll have to change it at all the places that get monthly charges, what a plain.

 

I’ll think I’ll just test in an ATM, and if works in there may just wait out the two years. Just going to take 30 seconds to a minute at shops on the very rare times do use it.

 

Using physical card also means unnecessary wear and tear, and guessing there’s cost to replace when it breaks.


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  #3465803 1-Mar-2026 13:30
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You will have issues at places with the new terminals that do not allow for swiping tho.





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