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#306516 31-Jul-2023 10:48
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The Commerce Commission is looking at ways to remove barriers to more innovative payment options that would allow Kiwis to make in-person payments directly between bank accounts, as a low-cost alternative to current card payment options.Commission Chair, John Small, says this work is aimed at promoting competition and efficiency in the retail payment system for the long-term benefit of businesses and consumers. “We’ve observed a lack of innovation in options to enable Kiwis to pay for goods and services via in-person bank transfers and have identified a way for the Commission to help enable better outcomes,” Dr Small says.“Bank transfers are typically one of the lowest cost payment options and if it were safe and easy for Kiwis to pay this way in-person, merchants would benefit from faster, cheaper payments,” Dr Small says.“New Zealand’s Eftpos network has delivered Kiwis an effective low-cost payment option for many years, however its use is declining due to consumer preferences and fewer Eftpos cards being issued by banks.“Our preliminary view is that a designation of the bank transfer network and subsequent use of our regulatory powers would create a more level playing field for new entrants to launch innovative options to make in-person bank transfers in New Zealand,” Dr Small says.“We have seen this work successfully overseas with the use of QR codes and mobile applications that facilitate new in-person payments and believe this approach is complementary to the Government’s development of a Consumer Data Right (CDR) regime. “We can require banks to provide access to the necessary systems ahead of CDR legislation going live, so that the sector is ready to meet the expectations it sets to deliver benefits to all New Zealanders.”Dr Small says Payments NZ is coordinating work with banks and providers of new payment options on the requirements to enable a safe and trusted environment for new entrants to create innovative options to enable in-person bank transfers.“We support this work and we don’t want it to stall, so we are proposing to use our regulatory powers to complement Payments NZ’s work.”The Commission is seeking views on its characterisation of the issues and opportunities in this space. The paper can be found here. Responses are due by 4pm on 25 September 2023

 





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  #3109989 31-Jul-2023 11:02
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Disappointing they're not specifically targeting those greedy 'transaction fees'. This is so weak. 

The credit card owners get charged:
Owning a credit card, 
Using your credit card.

The retailers get charged:
% cut of retailers profits from customers paying using their credit card,
Hardware rental to allow for credit card transactions,
Transaction fee every time a customer uses their credit card.

It's so astronomically greedy, which shows with billions upon billions of profit being reaped from the above with complete impunity. 


 
 
 

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  #3110022 31-Jul-2023 12:17
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How hard would it be for:

 

     

  1. Merchant POS system generates a QR code with the details for your payment (items description, $ amount, Merchant bank a/c#)
  2. You to open your Banking mobile app, scan the QR code
  3. Your app imports the information necessary and creates the payment, you get final chance to review and top "Pay"
  4. Your banking app generates a response QR code with confirmation and some sort of ID# for you
  5. Merchant POS system scans that QR code back for reconciliation
  6. Payment is settled bank to bank.

 

I also suspect that banks are given a cut of the Credit Card transaction fees so do they have an inventive to create a system that reduces these costs to the Consumer?


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Given that the result of their actions on the "no paywave" stickers seemed have totally backfired and has now seen a huge growth in new "2% CC surcharge" signs,... I hold out very little hope of anything good coming from this...




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Since this government "cracked down" on paywave fees, I've noticed the fees have not reduced but almost every merchant seems to charge them now. 

 

I'm not optimistic with anything this government proposes. They usually end up with the opposite outcome of what was intended. 

 

Actually, to be fair, I did see that PBTech reduced their CC fee. But, mostly it seems the CC fees still hover around 2% (the same rate as before the government crackdown). 

 

Realme was a disappointment -- that is a shame because it could have been used far more widely. 


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  #3111243 3-Aug-2023 08:37
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@tehgerbil:

 

Disappointing they're not specifically targeting those greedy 'transaction fees'. This is so weak.

 

 

Don't worry. They've just released a strongly-worded letter.

 

 

The Commerce Commission has issued an Open Letter on its work promoting appropriate surcharging and is encouraging businesses to do the right thing by their customers. The letter also highlights the Commission’s engagement with a selected group of larger businesses.

 

Commission Chair, John Small, says: “We think it’s important to clearly set our expectations of businesses, taking into account that our intent is not to promote or discourage surcharging but to focus on ensuring that where merchants do surcharge, that they do so at no more than the cost of accepting the payment." 

 

Dr Small says, as a first step in part of the Commission’s broader and ongoing engagement, a group of larger businesses was selected to gain a deeper understanding of their surcharging practices.

 

Key areas the Commission was seeking to know more about include: 
•    What information is given to businesses to allow them to surcharge appropriately
•    How transparent surcharges are to consumers
•    Whether or not surcharge-free payment options are offered to consumers.

 

“Businesses we have engaged with to date are ones that we would expect to have lower rates and are from industries including airlines, telecommunications, ticketing and parking bodies, as well as local authorities.”

 

Dr Small says that businesses have generally engaged positively with the Commission and have taken measures to reduce their surcharges or have provided reasons as to their current surcharging practices.

 

“We are particularly pleased to see those who have reviewed and are reducing their surcharges – including 2degrees who intends to reduce its surcharge from 1.75% to 1% later this year, as well as some councils who are reviewing and reducing surcharges for rates bills and other services. This is a win for consumers. 

 

“We are yet to determine whether regulation in this area is necessary and believe our engagement strategy will allow us to learn more about surcharging practices, while encouraging businesses to do the right thing by their customers,” Dr Small says.

 

As part of its ongoing engagement, the Commission recently published information to help businesses to surcharge appropriately and to help consumers understand their rights when it comes to paying surcharges.

 





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  #3111280 3-Aug-2023 09:56
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The Digital Payment system in New Zealand is really lagging behind. Look at India, most consider it a 3rd World country they, however, have created a revolutionary Payment system Where your Mobile number is linked to your bank account and it doesn't matter which bank you bank with The QR code generated can be used to send and receive payments across all the banks. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Payments_Interface

 

 


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  #3111766 4-Aug-2023 12:30
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Jashan:

 

The Digital Payment system in New Zealand is really lagging behind. Look at India, most consider it a 3rd World country they, however, have created a revolutionary Payment system Where your Mobile number is linked to your bank account and it doesn't matter which bank you bank with The QR code generated can be used to send and receive payments across all the banks. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Payments_Interface

 

 

And in Australia, you can pay directly to someone's email address or phone number, and the money clears in literally seconds. And if you change bank? You just port the identifier. Even the US has mostly real-time payment overlays. It's astonishing how far behind NZ is on this matter. You can't even entirely blame the banks, because Australia has the same banks!

 

Interesting they talk about encouraging merchants to "do the right thing" regards appropriate surcharges. It should be a legal requirement that the surcharge be no more than they are charged as it is in Australia, and I suspect Europe.




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  #3111768 4-Aug-2023 12:34
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Although some NZ banks offer SMS payments - ANZ, for example. And now payments are processed even at weekends. Slowly getting there.

 

Apps like Revolut and Dosh have instant transfer between users. 





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  #3111772 4-Aug-2023 12:42
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The difference being that the SMS payments offered by the NZ banks are usually an added service which requires the recipient be either the same bank or provide a bank account number to receive the payment, which is sent via the standard settlement process (which I know is processed more than once a day now, with realtime "coming soon") whereas in Australia, it's an overlay over the entire banking system - the mobile number or email or whatever resolves via the overlay service to the underlying BSB and Account Number, and is then settled using the Faster Payments Service in mere seconds. It even confirms the name on the recipient account to the sender so they know who they're paying. I don't see any mention of NZ aiming to provide a friendlier portable overlay service to abstract account numbers.


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  #3111789 4-Aug-2023 13:51
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timmyh:

 

How hard would it be for:

 

     

  1. Merchant POS system generates a QR code with the details for your payment (items description, $ amount, Merchant bank a/c#)
  2. You to open your Banking mobile app, scan the QR code
  3. Your app imports the information necessary and creates the payment, you get final chance to review and top "Pay"
  4. Your banking app generates a response QR code with confirmation and some sort of ID# for you
  5. Merchant POS system scans that QR code back for reconciliation
  6. Payment is settled bank to bank.

 

I also suspect that banks are given a cut of the Credit Card transaction fees so do they have an inventive to create a system that reduces these costs to the Consumer?

 

 

My god no. what an awful way to make / take a payment.

 

Can see it now, oh I'm having problems scanning your retail code ---> holds everyone up (remember being held up by people scanning covid codes?)

 

Oh so i scanned your code and sent payment but the retailer can't scan your phone screen because of your screen protector, crack screen, random other issue --> holds up everyone and the retailer can't confirm transaction so doesn't release the stock.

 

Oh you are blind and don't know where to aim the phone to scan the code?  Well no purchase for you.

 

 

 

Don't need to reinvent everything again, just cut the fees on what we already have.


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The real-world costs of doing business in NZ are astronomical. 

 

As much as banks are lambasted for the gross margins they make, they're generally not off the back of the cards business. It's lending and fees that make the banks money, mostly. 

 

Merchant fees might be somewhere between 0.7% and 2.00% for most retailers, but the actual margin for the banks is usually around a fraction of a percentage point on the transactions. The rest is paid away as costs - to the schemes, the network, the issuing bank etc. 
The issuing bank also pays away a lot of the income from interchange, on things like infrastructure, compliance, chargebacks, "free" travel insurance, airpoints/cashback/whoopee points. 

 

Retailers are often not being charged anywhere near the surcharges they pass on - nor are they incurring the "horrendous costs" that they state in most situations - they don't surcharge for power, water, other costs of doing business. It's a rort all round. 





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What you can look forward to when and if the NZ banks get their act together and implement a direct payment / mobile payment is that they will stop accepting things like Apple Pay, Google Pay etc. That is what has happened in Norway. The big banks are pushing their own payment systems and blocking other systems from being available to customers.





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Payments NZ have said they plan on having real-time payments by 2030. The UK would have had real-time payments for 22 years by the time 2030 rolls around.


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  #3111844 4-Aug-2023 17:57
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jarledb:

What you can look forward to when and if the NZ banks get their act together and implement a direct payment / mobile payment is that they will stop accepting things like Apple Pay, Google Pay etc. That is what has happened in Norway. The big banks are pushing their own payment systems and blocking other systems from being available to customers.


Conversely, Westpac used to have paywave views their own app, then discontinue this and switched to Google Play instead.
Provided you can pay by phone, it's all the same to me

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shk292: 

 

Conversely, Westpac used to have paywave views their own app, then discontinue this and switched to Google Play instead.
Provided you can pay by phone, it's all the same to me

 

My understanding is that Google does not charge the issuing bank a commission on Google Pay purchases. Apple actually does charge a percentage of the transaction to the issuing bank. In my opinion, this is beyond countenance, and they should be slammed down by regulators with a might of a meteor strike. Unlike the banks, which have an arguable case for percentage based commission (due to 3DS and EMV, there are a lot of cases where one of the banks carries all of the liability, and the consumer/criminal none), Apple provides nothing more than a phone directory for which card issuer to direct a transaction to.


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