Current speeds on Quic 2Gbps Hyperfibre

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#310643 8-Nov-2023 16:09

Curious whether or not others are noticing a consistent issue with speeds on hyperfibre, or if it's possible that I'm doing something wrong.

Have been running these speedtests every 15 minutes on average for ~22 days now.

There was an interesting stabilisation around the 19th, then some slight degradation over the month.

But the main concern is upload - have never been remotely near 2G upload until something changed a couple of days ago, which has also resulted in the first consistent significant change to download speeds.

If I am able to get above 2gbps down - yet the average down has only been ~670mbps, does that mean the problem is outside my setup? I'm still new to some of this, so any thoughts are appreciated.

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#3157318 8-Nov-2023 16:16

Please run Speedtests at most every hour. Every 15mins and you’re just causing unnecessary load on both your connection, your ISP’s network as well as the Speedtest server. It is pointless at best to do any more than one per hour. Especially on a Hyperfibre connection this can be seen as somewhat rude to speedtest server operators.

That aside. There is a huge amount of work on Quic’s network also introducing IPoE (DHCP) which will improve things vastly for you. That’s coming soon and a few of us (myself included) have been beta testing it too.

Without knowing more about your setup I’m not sure if it is your setup or what causing it. But PPPoE on Hyperfibre is the problem with most setups out there.

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#3157323 8-Nov-2023 16:29

Noted @michaelmurfy. Have adjusted to every 2 hours to be a little more respectful.

I'm running a Mikrotik RB5009. WAN is 10G SFP module, internally everything is running on Cat6A with minimal length runs. PC that I'm testing from is 10m away from router, and is plugged into the 2.5g.

The thing that is most confusing to me is that I've never seen upload reaching anywhere near the line limit, yet the download is reasonably consistently at the advertised speed. I don't understand why there's such a huge difference, it uses the same cabling for both directions.

The only other thing I can think of is my pihole, but with the recent occurrences of higher speeds on upload, it seems to remove that as a culprit.

I did sign up to beta test as well, didn't get a response in the end but I know the quic team are busy.

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#3157404 8-Nov-2023 18:38

My speeds were similar to yours, switching from PPPoE to IPoE on my 2G Hyper-fibre sorted my Hyper-fibre connection speeds (I also thought this was going to be a thread on the old 2G GPRS network…mind you there ain’t much 2G around these days😂).

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#3157499 9-Nov-2023 08:59

kennedybaird:The thing that is most confusing to me is that I've never seen upload reaching anywhere near the line limit, yet the download is reasonably consistently at the advertised speed. I don't understand why there's such a huge difference, it uses the same cabling for both directions.

Yes that strongly points to PPPoE being the issue. When you download, the PPPoE encapsulation is done at the ISP end. When you upload, it's done by your router and at 2Gbps some routers are simply unable to cope.

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#3157503 9-Nov-2023 09:04

genegeney:

Yes that strongly points to PPPoE being the issue. When you download, the PPPoE encapsulation is done at the ISP end. When you upload, it's done by your router and at 2Gbps some routers are simply unable to cope.

And you think the RB5009 might be having issues with that?

The confusing thing again is seeing changes in the trend when nothing is changing on my end

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#3157506 9-Nov-2023 09:16

kennedybaird:

And you think the RB5009 might be having issues with that?

Yup - seems to be that many are experiencing upload speed issues with PPPoE on hyperfibre, hence why QUIC are implementing IPoE instead. Suspect, when my connection goes live in just over a week, that I'll have the same issue with my Unifi UDM Pro SE.

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#3157508 9-Nov-2023 09:25

genegeney:

Yup - seems to be that many are experiencing upload speed issues with PPPoE on hyperfibre, hence why QUIC are implementing IPoE instead. Suspect, when my connection goes live in just over a week, that I'll have the same issue with my Unifi UDM Pro SE.

Copy that, thanks.

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#3157538 9-Nov-2023 11:55

I don't think they're far from giving IPoE to the wider audience but this will help heaps.

Also on the Mikrotik ensure you're using baby jumbo packets (MTU of 1508) on the base interface and a MTU of 1500 on the PPPoE interface as this may help.

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#3157573 9-Nov-2023 13:08

genegeney:

kennedybaird:

And you think the RB5009 might be having issues with that?

Yup - seems to be that many are experiencing upload speed issues with PPPoE on hyperfibre, hence why QUIC are implementing IPoE instead. Suspect, when my connection goes live in just over a week, that I'll have the same issue with my Unifi UDM Pro SE.

Be good to know how you get on with Hyperfibre and the UDM SE as that's what I have here but waiting for the new ONTs to start rolling out before upgrading.

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#3157575 9-Nov-2023 13:09

CYaBro:

Be good to know how you get on with Hyperfibre and the UDM SE as that's what I have here but waiting for the new ONTs to start rolling out before upgrading.

Sure. Why are you waiting on the new ONTs? The current version is supposedly better, if not bulkier. The newer version is a cut down model as I understand it.

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#3157576 9-Nov-2023 13:11

genegeney:

CYaBro:

Be good to know how you get on with Hyperfibre and the UDM SE as that's what I have here but waiting for the new ONTs to start rolling out before upgrading.

Sure. Why are you waiting on the new ONTs? The current version is supposedly better, if not bulkier. The newer version is a cut down model as I understand it.

Won't fit inside my small wall mounted network cabinet where the current ONT is.

Nowhere to sit on a desk nearby and won't fit on top due as cabinet is too close to the ceiling.

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#3157577 9-Nov-2023 13:12

CYaBro:

Won't fit inside my small wall mounted network cabinet where the current ONT is.

Nowhere to sit on a desk nearby and won't fit on top due as cabinet is too close to the ceiling.

Fair enough 🙂

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#3157578 9-Nov-2023 13:21

genegeney:

CYaBro:

Won't fit inside my small wall mounted network cabinet where the current ONT is.

Nowhere to sit on a desk nearby and won't fit on top due as cabinet is too close to the ceiling.

Fair enough 🙂

Oh and I think the current hyperfibre ONT the 10Gb LAN port is 10Gb only so would require a purchase of a SFP+ module for the UDM SE.
The new ONT can be 10/5/2.5/1gb as far as I can tell so should be able to plug directly into the 2.5Gb RJ45 WAN port on the UDM SE, which would suffice for 2Gb Hyperfibre.

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#3157580 9-Nov-2023 13:34

CYaBro:

Oh and I think the current hyperfibre ONT the 10Gb LAN port is 10Gb only so would require a purchase of a SFP+ module for the UDM SE.
The new ONT can be 10/5/2.5/1gb as far as I can tell so should be able to plug directly into the 2.5Gb RJ45 WAN port on the UDM SE, which would suffice for 2Gb Hyperfibre.

Assuming you are in a Chorus area - the current Hyperfibre ONT is 10/5/2.5/1 auto negotiation.

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#3157705 9-Nov-2023 16:05

kennedybaird:

And you think the RB5009 might be having issues with that?

Easy to check - look at the CPU usage when uploading and see if 1 core is saturated.

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