H.264 support in Windows 7: native and out-of-the-box

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#194078 4-Feb-2009 18:19

Cool, thanks for the response, clearly there's a few people as passionate about this as I am!

I'm running it on a test machine that I've just tried again and to my surprise the vista drivers allowed it to see my pinnacle dual sat pro. Problem nbow is what to use fr transponder settings. I'm in auckland, if that's of any consequence.. I need carrier frequency and symbol rate info to do a scan. Doing a full scan retruned no channels :(

Be most appreciated if someone could help.

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#194085 4-Feb-2009 18:38

The Freeview DVB-S transponders are:
Freq: 12456 Symbol Rate: 22500 Pol: Horizontal
Freq: 12483 Symbol Rate: 22500 Pol: Horizontal

They should scan in 11 channels each, then edit what ones you want in the guide.

madad

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#194089 4-Feb-2009 18:59

rhysb: The Freeview DVB-S transponders are:
Freq: 12456 Symbol Rate: 22500 Pol: Horizontal
Freq: 12483 Symbol Rate: 22500 Pol: Horizontal

They should scan in 11 channels each, then edit what ones you want in the guide.

Weird. The card I'm using is a pinnacle dual sat pro 4000i. Listed as compatable here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/compatibility/Details.aspx?type=Hardware&p=Pinnacle%20Systems%20PCTV%20Dual%20Sat%20Pro%20PCI%20(4000i)&v=Pinnacle%20Systems&uid=&pf=0&pi=0&c=MP3%20%26%20Media%20Players&sc=Digital%20Media%20Receivers&os=32-bit

Installed the drivers from the page it links to, but no go. Tried both of the transponder settings you listed, but it just scans (quite quickly) and finds no channels.

Is there some diagnostic information I can check? I'm using the two satellite connections that feed into my production vista media center, so I know they have signal.

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#194150 4-Feb-2009 23:33

Interesting process indeed. Took me a while to realise the differentiation between setting up the TV Signal, where of course one needs to define what tuners one has (lnb settings.. and you have to set em all up at once, it's not incremental!) and scanning.. where in fact you may need to define the satellite settings etc.

Crazy action. God help anyone not the slightest bit technical sorting this one out. It's taken me hours to run all the scans and finally sort or sort it out.

Must be better than ini files and registry hacks. Right? :O

Anyway looks like I may have the same channel coming in on DVB-S and DVB-T; can someone please explain how to map the DVB-S guide onto DVB-T channels?

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#194180 5-Feb-2009 08:36

I see people are complaining about no 8 day guide, I was under the impression you simply use a dvb-s card and map the guide to the dvb-t channels.. is this correct?

That sounds good...as long as you have and want to have a DVB-S card. I don't so will complain about the lack of 8 day EPG over DVB-T as we all should.

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#194187 5-Feb-2009 09:12

I see people are complaining about no 8 day guide, I was under the impression you simply use a dvb-s card and map the guide to the dvb-t channels.. is this correct?

Yes, if you want to buy an extra card just to have the EPG. Which makes no sense at all.

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#194193 5-Feb-2009 09:19

freitasm: Yes, if you want to buy an extra card just to have the EPG. Which makes no sense at all.

and install a satellite dish on the roof.....

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#194195 5-Feb-2009 09:21

madad: Anyway looks like I may have the same channel coming in on DVB-S and DVB-T; can someone please explain how to map the DVB-S guide onto DVB-T channels?

Something like Tasks -> Settings -> TV -> Guide -> Edit channels

Find the DVB-S TV ONE -> re-number it as 1 (or whatever you want) -> find the DVB-T TV ONE -> select "edit listings" -> select channel "1" (may be easier to "sort by number" at this point) -> select "combine listings for this channel" (or similar)

You can then go to the new channel 1 and "edit sources" to put the DVB-T signal(s) at the top so you get the best picture when available.

Repeat for each channel (a bit laborious I know)

This all assumes you are happy to use the freeview EPG. Also if you have prime (UHF) or Sky channels you may want to look at Satch's guide here

Also have you applied the KB to fix the DVB-T inband EPG problems?

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#194358 5-Feb-2009 21:09

Mattv:
madad: Anyone using windows 7 beta with xboxes as clients? I'm keen to switch my vista server to using windows 7 but don't want to do it too soon.

I see people are complaining about no 8 day guide, I was under the impression you simply use a dvb-s card and map the guide to the dvb-t channels.. is this correct? I have two nova-s cards and a dual tuner dvbt card..

(Sorry if this has all been answered already!)

Maybe i'll just find a spare drive and try it anyway..

I tried it with 2 360's. Guide and TV worked brilliantly with a similar setup to you tuner wise (guide setup as you mention works well). The only problem I had was playback of large mpegs (ripped DVD .vobs converted to .mpgs) these "stuttered" during playback and were essentially unwatchable. They played fine on the 7MC PC and play fine on the 360's under Vista. The 360's are both connected to CRT TV's via component and composite and from what I have been able to find out it may be some problem with 50hz CRT setups (60hz is not supported anymore either) If you are connecting to more modern TV's you may have more luck (and I would be very keen to hear how you go if that is the case) I've reluctantly had to give up for now as the kids watch these movies all the time. I really hope there is a fix in the pipeline soon because otherwise is was great.

W7 seems to have some issues with XBOX 360s - though it seems to be mostly with live TV. TGB thread here:

http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/3/325290/ShowThread.aspx

If you wind your way thru that thread and ignore the references to networking issues you'll see that MS have acknowledged this as a problem (something to do with DRM apparently) and are working on a fix.

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#194774 8-Feb-2009 19:44

Just installed 32-bit version on my HTPC. Quick and painless. Haven't entirely got my head round the new interface yet, but overwelmed by how easy it was to set up DVB-T, and also the speed with which Media Centre changes channels. If M$ get the EPG sorted out soon, I might have to be complimentary about Redmond's finest in the future!

Back to Vista Premium and GB-PVR for tonight's scheduled recordings, however.

Also wondering if we Media Centre can record two or more channels off the same mux?

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#195264 11-Feb-2009 09:51

So I've got my rig stable, it would seem. And I'm very pelased with it.

A couple of notes:
- I have disabled dvb-t for now. Stability issues and network dropouts seem to occur when I'm watching (and especioally) timeshifting high def content.
- I have installed media browser which gives me a lot more control of all my movies etc, and automatically downloads artwork and other meta info. Goodbye manual configuration with mymovies! And there's rumours it will soon have cover flow..
- I have installed this app which allows me to install logos for tv channels. Very bling!

Overall it seems to be rock solid and I'm very happy. Hopefully soon I can re-enable the dvb-t tuners and enjoy some hi def goodness. I'm assuming the problems must have comething to do either a lack of hardware decoding or some other driver weirdness..

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#195280 11-Feb-2009 11:01

Madad - you aren't perchance using an ATI video card are you? Just out of interest...

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#195355 11-Feb-2009 17:20

sure am. will post the exact specs when i get home, but yeah i'm using onboard ati graphics hardware.. says 1080p on the motherboard box, but doesn't mention h264. Perhaps time to add a full blown graphics card? Is it worth the investment?

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#195359 11-Feb-2009 17:36

limegreen: If M$ get the EPG sorted out soon, I might have to be complimentary about Redmond's finest in the future!

Microsoft will not be "fixing" the EPG because they have no plans to fully support MHEG5.

The only way you will get an EPG in Windows 7 will be to use a DVB-S source or use external applications to import an XML based EPG from the web.

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#195361 11-Feb-2009 17:38

madad: sure am. will post the exact specs when i get home, but yeah i'm using onboard ati graphics hardware.. says 1080p on the motherboard box, but doesn't mention h264. Perhaps time to add a full blown graphics card? Is it worth the investment?

ATI have had numerous problems with H.264 video and most people have given up and moved to NVidia.

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