70 inch TV decision please, do I need 4K?

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#1465234 7-Jan-2016 15:49

I still believe 4K is too soon 12 to 18 months and things will be different. Retailers are pushing them now to try and gap dropping TV sales, the 3D gimmick failed so now it's 4K. Now I don't believe 4K is a gimmick just too early with regards to content.
If your set has reached expiry then go for 4K if its just upgrade I would wait, in 12 months sets will offer more for less and content will be richer.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1465238 7-Jan-2016 15:56

Fully agree on the graph by the way. Nice concept, but I don't think it works as nicely as they'd like. I feel there was a bias to it, and angle they were trying to promote and they've adjusted the slopes to suit.
Would be nice to do a A B test on content though to see where it worked out for you.

Not sold on the curved TV's, as surely they as more suited to front and centre viewing.
Fine if it's just you, but anyone else in the room will see less of one side and more of the other. Seems daft.

Content wise, yeah there's a heap. Not broadcast and bluray hasn't caught up yet, but it will.
Youtube is the best bet presently.
4K cameras are out if you want to use them already.
Any timelapse you make from an 8MP still camera could be 4k.
Full HD is only 2MP resolution, so it is rather dated really.
Netflix has some 4k options from memory.

On the flipside, a PS3/4/Xbox One is still only 1080P, or less depending on the title and/or the method of gameplay.
No broadcast TV is higher than full HD 1080, and most of freeview HD is in SD only.
Bluray is only Full HD
DVD is SD, not even 'HD ready' 720p

Me personally, there's no way I'd go over 60" without 4k capabilities.
It's 2015, no 2016, so resolution is king, and image quality comes in lower now, as we move to streaming and not bluray and full HD audio etc.

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#1465250 7-Jan-2016 16:13

You are still paying a premium at the moment for 4k, and the content is sparse. Eventually most tvs will be 4k. I think OLED is a bigger factor, over LCD, and would pay more for an OLED TV. A 70 inch TV which is only 1080 must have huge pixels, and look terrible when viewing closer to the screen. I would just buy a smaller screen and watch it closer.

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#1465252 7-Jan-2016 16:15

I think from the life of your TV, you're better off picking up a 4K set, but be careful as all sets are not made the same. The Samsung 2k16 4K TV's are all UHD alliance approved, which means you're going to get great picture quality and support for next gen features like HDR and 4K60 HDMI. OLED is great if you can afford it, but wait for the 2016 LG sets to be released, dolby vision and uhd alliance mean they will be amazing displays...

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#1465285 7-Jan-2016 17:27

kharris: That graph does not look right to me. It tells me that I would not be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on my 40inch at 3 metres. I certainly can tell the difference at that distance.

Im sick of that F)))ing graph. According to it, I should have been fine on a 55" 1080, but I could see each pixels edge from my viewing distance and actually regretted getting that tv over a 50"

Get 4k. Content or not, the results will be smoother and nicer to look at. People up close wont have to deal with things looking like they are printing on a bus window with giant black gaps all over it.

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#1465291 7-Jan-2016 17:51

You are Sooo fortunate. I just want to say how much I envy you.

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#1465314 7-Jan-2016 18:29

The 4K is more future proof, so even though there is very little 4K content available now I would go 4K if the price differential isn't outrageous. In fact, I did recently when my main telly died. Just make sure that if you do it supports HDCP 2.2 and has at least one HDMI v2 input, otherwise you will likely be out of luck and annoyed when 4K players and content actually do arrive, as they likely won't connect to your TV.

I have a deep aversion to the curved screens, and would personally avoid those like the plague. They have only one "sweet spot" for viewing.

As for size, generally it's a case of the bigger the better. I don't know anyone who is sorry that they got a TV that was too big, I know several who lament that they got one that is too small.

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#1465315 7-Jan-2016 18:40

Waching old TV shows on a big screen is ridiculous. Same for many youtubers etc. They arent making it in mind with it taking up that much of your view so you have 2 foot high faces and stupidly fast pans and zooms.

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#1465643 8-Jan-2016 09:22

hi guys. thank you all for your response... majority of you voted for 4k... not surprised, as this is a GeekZone...lol

I like the idea of Sony X900b, wife doesnt need to switch on the amplier when she just want to watch her programmes... althought it is 4k and 79", but at pricetag of $8500. its a big ask

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#1465648 8-Jan-2016 09:27

MrFlower: hi guys. thank you all for your response... majority of you voted for 4k... not surprised, as this is a GeekZone...lol

I like the idea of Sony X900b, wife doesnt need to switch on the amplier when she just want to watch her programmes... althought it is 4k and 79", but at pricetag of $8500. its a big ask

Unless you want the speakers, I'd recommend getting the 9000 series which is pretty much identical and will save you serious money. You'd arrive inside of your budget pretty much!

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#1465672 8-Jan-2016 09:56

networkn:

Unless you want the speakers, I'd recommend getting the 9000 series which is pretty much identical and will save you serious money. You'd arrive inside of your budget pretty much!

which model? I did a quick search on Sony's website, for 75 incher there are KD75X9100C and KD75X8500C

or are you talking about the 65".... its a bit small for us, but its more affordable.

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#1465675 8-Jan-2016 10:00

MrFlower:
networkn:

Unless you want the speakers, I'd recommend getting the 9000 series which is pretty much identical and will save you serious money. You'd arrive inside of your budget pretty much!

which model? I did a quick search on Sony's website, for 75 incher there are KD75X9100C and KD75X8500C

or are you talking about the 65".... its a bit small for us, but its more affordable.

Yah I was thinking the KD75X9100C I'd expect with haggling you'd be at $7000-7500 which ultimately if you want one of the best screens available in the largest size, you need to come to grips with.

Personally with that budget if your room isn't too light, I'd be considering a decent projector.

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#1465679 8-Jan-2016 10:08

I originally posted that graph in another thread, however there were details in there that have been left out.

The basis for the graph is that human eyesight is limited, and there are (lots) of studies into the maths behind it (arcminutes and arcseconds etc.) Here is a quote from the thread I posted in http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=151&topicid=175273&page_no=2

Everyone knows from their high school geometry classes that a circle is 360 degrees (360°). For angles smaller than 1 degree we use arcminutes and arcseconds as a measurement. An arcminute is equal to one sixtieth (1/60) of one degree. "Normal" visual acuity is considered to be the ability to recognize an optotype (letter on the Snellen chart) when it subtends 5 minutes of arc. We can most certainly see objects below this level, as this describes only our ability to recognize a very specific shape. Taking this a step further, we find that the lower limit of "resolution" of average eyes equates to roughly ½ the limit of acuity. In other words, the average person cannot see more than two spots (pixels if you will) separated by less than 2 arcminutes of angle.

The first key here is AVERAGE - there will always be people who can see more and people who can see less, hence the 4K vs 1080 question is different for every consumer. If you really want to get into it, read http://www.swift.ac.uk/about/files/vision.pdf or one specific about 4K http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/eyesight-4k-resolution-viewing

However the second key is not resolution by bitrate. The comment made about YouTube having 4K content doesn't mean much (and the same applies to Netflix) when the bitrate is low. If you read this detailed review on AVSFORUM where the same movie (Interstella) in compared in 1080 between 4 different services where the main difference is bitrate, you can see the problem - lower bitrate = poorer quality. There are other reviews of 4K Netflix vs Blu-ray where there is no discernible difference between the two, again due to bitrate (Netflix = low bitrate whereas Blu-ray is a much higher bitrate)

Lastly there is the content problem, whilst Netflix have 4K there is not that much content (and again the bitrate problem negates much of this increase in resolution) and 4K Blu-Ray is still a while away. As noted by @Jaxson broadcast TV (Sky and Freeview) are limited to 1080i.

Also anyone looking into 4K should probably be aware of the UltraHD Premium standard being promoted by various manufacturers to ensure compatibility between devices. http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/04/uhd-alliance-reveals-its-specs-for-premium-4k-tvs/

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#1465683 8-Jan-2016 10:11

Yah I was thinking the KD75X9100C I'd expect with haggling you'd be at $7000-7500 which ultimately if you want one of the best screens available in the largest size, you need to come to grips with.

Personally with that budget if your room isn't too light, I'd be considering a decent projector.

I've never had a projector as a TV. wouldnt they be too hard to see in daytime? or as everyday use? say if I want to watch whatever is on tv for 5-10 min only... sometimes we let the TV on for an hour or two without watching it.

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#1465686 8-Jan-2016 10:15

MrFlower:

Yah I was thinking the KD75X9100C I'd expect with haggling you'd be at $7000-7500 which ultimately if you want one of the best screens available in the largest size, you need to come to grips with.

Personally with that budget if your room isn't too light, I'd be considering a decent projector.

I've never had a projector as a TV. wouldnt they be too hard to see in daytime? or as everyday use? say if I want to watch whatever is on tv for 5-10 min only... sometimes we let the TV on for an hour or two without watching it.

I have had a projector as a tv for the last 6 years. The newest one is unbelievable (Sony SXRD). It's pretty decent in a bright room and I have a motorized screen which dissapears. It has it's downside, but picture quality isn't one of them.

Bulbs are a cost, but convenience and awesomeness easily offsets it for me.

I am not particularly strict about turning mine off, but ultimately room type and whether you can ceiling mount a decent sized projector would be deciding factors.

I'd go and take a look at a few out of interests sakes. 4K Projectors are pretty pricey.

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