70 inch TV decision please, do I need 4K?

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#1465903 8-Jan-2016 13:38

Yes you will need a new receiver.

Thanks for that... this was in the back of my mind...

Marantz SR5009 would be good match? or any other recommended HT receiver? budget is about $1600-$1800.

Cheers :)

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#1465908 8-Jan-2016 13:45

MrFlower:

Yes you will need a new receiver.

Thanks for that... this was in the back of my mind...

Marantz SR5009 would be good match? or any other recommended HT receiver? budget is about $1600-$1800.

Cheers :)

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#1465924 8-Jan-2016 14:22

4k is still reasonably new.

Personally I'd route my 4k sauces directly to the TV, and feed digital coax/optical to the receiver. That will keep you going for quite some time, and you can then address a new receiver once the market has settled down a bit. Unless of course you really want to spend the money, in which case do your thing.

A Harmony remote will take care of the input switching for each activity, so it's really not a big issue. Only thing to watch for is possible sync issues, whereby you may have to delay the audio a bit to align with the image, depending on the delay in video processing present.

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#1466051 8-Jan-2016 16:51

Personally I went with a new receiver as I have an Amazon Fire TV that requires the new HDMI/HDCP standards (also tried out a Roku that required this as well). To be honest the difference in quality between Amazon 4K and 1080p is pretty small. To my eyes it just has slightly more depth to the picture. There is a difference as I can tell when the stream goes from 1080 to 4k but its not massive like a jump from SD to HD. But like I said earlier, 1080p stuff still looks amazing upscaled to 4K plus you can't see any pixels.

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#1466235 8-Jan-2016 22:05

MrFlower:

Yes you will need a new receiver.

Thanks for that... this was in the back of my mind...

Marantz SR5009 would be good match? or any other recommended HT receiver? budget is about $1600-$1800.

Cheers :)

Nope.
You need to look for a receiver with HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 compliance.
So for Marantz, look for an amp ending in 10.
For Yamaha, look for an amp ending in 50 or 79.
For Denon, look for an amp ending in 200.

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#1466327 9-Jan-2016 07:55

We (actually the wife) have decided to go with the 75" 1080p for now. Will see how the 4K goes by end of the year.

I think this is easier as I don't need to upgrade the receiver and can spend more on the speaker( if wifey allows).

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#1466471 9-Jan-2016 11:55

MrFlower: We (actually the wife) have decided to go with the 75" 1080p for now. Will see how the 4K goes by end of the year.

I think this is easier as I don't need to upgrade the receiver and can spend more on the speaker( if wifey allows).

Maybe a bit late but thought I'd add my 2 cents anyway!

I think you'll regret going for only 1080p an a screen that size (75") that you'll be watching from 3.5m, pixels will be visible! You'd be better going smaller (65") with 4k ability for the same or less $$$. Or spend a little more and get the same size with 4k.

And you don't HAVE to upgrade your receiver if you go for a 4k TV. This will only be an issue if you get a new 4k source component (ie UHD Blu-ray player or 4k media player) that you want to connect through the receiver with HDMI. Even then you could still just connect directly to the TV's HDMI inputs, (although sound will have to be sent to the receiver via optical/coax)

However, just like when 3D came along and most receivers were incompatible, I would expect many of the early UHD Blu-ray players will have two HDMI outputs to allow direct connection to the TV HDMI for video with the first HDMI output, and connection to the AV receiver HDMI for sound with the second HDMI output, like this one http://www.samsung.com/us/video/home-audio/UBD-K8500/ZA

Go 4k.... my guess is you'll regret only buying a 1080p screen in a year or two...

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#1466606 9-Jan-2016 17:08

tangerz:
MrFlower: We (actually the wife) have decided to go with the 75" 1080p for now. Will see how the 4K goes by end of the year.

I think this is easier as I don't need to upgrade the receiver and can spend more on the speaker( if wifey allows).

Maybe a bit late but thought I'd add my 2 cents anyway!

I think you'll regret going for only 1080p an a screen that size (75") that you'll be watching from 3.5m, pixels will be visible! You'd be better going smaller (65") with 4k ability for the same or less $$$. Or spend a little more and get the same size with 4k.

And you don't HAVE to upgrade your receiver if you go for a 4k TV. This will only be an issue if you get a new 4k source component (ie UHD Blu-ray player or 4k media player) that you want to connect through the receiver with HDMI. Even then you could still just connect directly to the TV's HDMI inputs, (although sound will have to be sent to the receiver via optical/coax)

However, just like when 3D came along and most receivers were incompatible, I would expect many of the early UHD Blu-ray players will have two HDMI outputs to allow direct connection to the TV HDMI for video with the first HDMI output, and connection to the AV receiver HDMI for sound with the second HDMI output, like this one http://www.samsung.com/us/video/home-audio/UBD-K8500/ZA

Go 4k.... my guess is you'll regret only buying a 1080p screen in a year or two...

This.

You can always go video straight to TV and a different audio output to receiver separately. You simply don't need to route it all through a receiver; which will save you dollars now.

4K really is the way for a screen that size.

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#1466627 9-Jan-2016 17:46

tangerz:
MrFlower: We (actually the wife) have decided to go with the 75" 1080p for now. Will see how the 4K goes by end of the year.

I think this is easier as I don't need to upgrade the receiver and can spend more on the speaker( if wifey allows).

Maybe a bit late but thought I'd add my 2 cents anyway!

I think you'll regret going for only 1080p an a screen that size (75") that you'll be watching from 3.5m, pixels will be visible! You'd be better going smaller (65") with 4k ability for the same or less $$$. Or spend a little more and get the same size with 4k.

And you don't HAVE to upgrade your receiver if you go for a 4k TV. This will only be an issue if you get a new 4k source component (ie UHD Blu-ray player or 4k media player) that you want to connect through the receiver with HDMI. Even then you could still just connect directly to the TV's HDMI inputs, (although sound will have to be sent to the receiver via optical/coax)

However, just like when 3D came along and most receivers were incompatible, I would expect many of the early UHD Blu-ray players will have two HDMI outputs to allow direct connection to the TV HDMI for video with the first HDMI output, and connection to the AV receiver HDMI for sound with the second HDMI output, like this one http://www.samsung.com/us/video/home-audio/UBD-K8500/ZA

Go 4k.... my guess is you'll regret only buying a 1080p screen in a year or two...

Ok... I am actually ok to stretch the budget just the wife not happy with me spending close to 10k on a bloody tv.

Hope it's not too late, Noel Leeming has taken our detail and issued an invoice. But I have not paid. Is this too late? Does anyone know?

MrFlower

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#1466628 9-Jan-2016 17:48

Jaxson:
tangerz:
MrFlower: We (actually the wife) have decided to go with the 75" 1080p for now. Will see how the 4K goes by end of the year.

I think this is easier as I don't need to upgrade the receiver and can spend more on the speaker( if wifey allows).

Maybe a bit late but thought I'd add my 2 cents anyway!

I think you'll regret going for only 1080p an a screen that size (75") that you'll be watching from 3.5m, pixels will be visible! You'd be better going smaller (65") with 4k ability for the same or less $$$. Or spend a little more and get the same size with 4k.

And you don't HAVE to upgrade your receiver if you go for a 4k TV. This will only be an issue if you get a new 4k source component (ie UHD Blu-ray player or 4k media player) that you want to connect through the receiver with HDMI. Even then you could still just connect directly to the TV's HDMI inputs, (although sound will have to be sent to the receiver via optical/coax)

However, just like when 3D came along and most receivers were incompatible, I would expect many of the early UHD Blu-ray players will have two HDMI outputs to allow direct connection to the TV HDMI for video with the first HDMI output, and connection to the AV receiver HDMI for sound with the second HDMI output, like this one http://www.samsung.com/us/video/home-audio/UBD-K8500/ZA

Go 4k.... my guess is you'll regret only buying a 1080p screen in a year or two...

This.

You can always go video straight to TV and a different audio output to receiver separately. You simply don't need to route it all through a receiver; which will save you dollars now.

4K really is the way for a screen that size.

Yeah... I had that slight regret feeling when we were giving the sales the details

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#1466633 9-Jan-2016 17:55

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#1466636 9-Jan-2016 18:08

And if you go 4K make sure whatever set you go with is HDR compliant/ready. These will be more readily identifiable as the 2016 models hit but not so apparent in the 2015 line up.

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#1466647 9-Jan-2016 18:29

Super8: And if you go 4K make sure whatever set you go with is HDR compliant/ready. These will be more readily identifiable as the 2016 models hit but not so apparent in the 2015 line up.

Yeah been down to AV world yesterday. Need HDCP 2.2 or something like that.... Apparently a new receiver is only like $1200-1500. Think I paid $3000-$4000 for my Yamaha RXV3900 back in 2009/2010

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#1466662 9-Jan-2016 18:50

MrFlower:
Super8: And if you go 4K make sure whatever set you go with is HDR compliant/ready. These will be more readily identifiable as the 2016 models hit but not so apparent in the 2015 line up.

Yeah been down to AV world yesterday. Need HDCP 2.2 or something like that.... Apparently a new receiver is only like $1200-1500. Think I paid $3000-$4000 for my Yamaha RXV3900 back in 2009/2010

A $1200 - $1500 amp from AV World won't have the same level power supply as your older Yamaha.
What it will have is more HDMI's, Bluetooth, Airplay, DLNA etc...
The latest gear has HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0a.
Be aware, some of last years amps say 'UHD compatible', but they lack HDCP 2.2, without that, UHD Blu-rays won't play in their full glory.

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#1466924 10-Jan-2016 12:06

I think the best answer for you is...don't buy a TV yet and wait for the 2k16 models to atrive in 3-5 months. You're money is used better waiting.

You don't need a fancy amp if you don't own any 4K sources...unless you're heavily getting into 4K content (aka a 4K blu ray player which arent out yet)then 1080 will look fine until you can afford a HDMI 2.0a compatible amp. For now, run your amp with all the 1080P sources, and change inputs on TV for the 4K source...these TVs have plenty of HDMI ports, and a programmable remote will automatically switch ports for you...get a 2016 TV and a harmony remote.

JB is always running deals on 'cost price TVs' within a month or two of release...so you're bound to pick up a 75 4K you can afford

And the only TVs you should consider are probably the Samsung LCD 2016 range or if you're a big spender, the LG OLEDs with Dolby vision. Totally forget about Sony until they get the HDR alliance badge.

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