70 inch TV decision please, do I need 4K?

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#1466989 10-Jan-2016 14:09

Why the focus on the receiver?

You are going to only have one 4K source; your UHD Blu Ray player. Optical out from the TV and assign the audio source to the input selection?
Any other 4K will be app based from the TV and UHD player. TV HDMI 1 is the receiver HDMI out for all your 1080 and TV HDMI 2 is UHD player direct.

But as per the above post, wait 5 months for the 2016 lineup. Go with one of those or get a 2015 on run out. Win/Win

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#1466997 10-Jan-2016 14:50

Super8: Why the focus on the receiver?

Exactly

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#1467392 11-Jan-2016 10:29

macuser: I think the best answer for you is...don't buy a TV yet and wait for the 2k16 models to atrive in 3-5 months. You're money is used better waiting.

You don't need a fancy amp if you don't own any 4K sources...unless you're heavily getting into 4K content (aka a 4K blu ray player which arent out yet)then 1080 will look fine until you can afford a HDMI 2.0a compatible amp. For now, run your amp with all the 1080P sources, and change inputs on TV for the 4K source...these TVs have plenty of HDMI ports, and a programmable remote will automatically switch ports for you...get a 2016 TV and a harmony remote.

JB is always running deals on 'cost price TVs' within a month or two of release...so you're bound to pick up a 75 4K you can afford

And the only TVs you should consider are probably the Samsung LCD 2016 range or if you're a big spender, the LG OLEDs with Dolby vision. Totally forget about Sony until they get the HDR alliance badge.

This TV will be everyday viewing/news...etc. we have a dedicated entertainment room which we are yet to put anything in there.

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#1467410 11-Jan-2016 10:48

MrFlower:

This TV will be everyday viewing/news...etc. we have a dedicated entertainment room which we are yet to put anything in there.

In that case perhaps go smaller since everyday stuff is silly on a giant wall sized display. Keep the big screen for the entertainment.

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#1467417 11-Jan-2016 10:57

Super8: Why the focus on the receiver?

You are going to only have one 4K source; your UHD Blu Ray player. Optical out from the TV and assign the audio source to the input selection?
Any other 4K will be app based from the TV and UHD player. TV HDMI 1 is the receiver HDMI out for all your 1080 and TV HDMI 2 is UHD player direct.

What impact will this have on uncompressed audio on bluray discs? Given formats like DTS HD Master Audio can't be transmitted over optical, won't relying on an optical return from the TV to provide the audio from the bluray player mean limiting the sound to DD or similar?

If so, it looks like having an older receiver in this situation means one can have the best-quality audio or best-quality video but not both at the same time, or have I misunderstood the situation?

Edit: could one use an HDMI splitter to send the signal to both the TV and receiver, and use signal processing to ensure audio sync between the two, if there's any issue with that?

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#1467420 11-Jan-2016 11:00

jonathan18:
If so, it looks like having an older receiver in this situation means one can have the best-quality audio or best-quality video but not both at the same time, or have I misunderstood the situation?

That is correct.

Also a HDMI splitter will not help as you will only get 1080 since that is what the receiver will say it is capable of.

My reciever will do 4k but I get messages from the TV about deep colour depending what input I am on, which means I have to turn it off when looking at 1080 stuff on the TV, and turn it on when I switch to the PC which is set to it. Stupid LG cant work it out itself. It still shows a picture, and I cant really see any problems with it, but I get an annoying banner appearing about the version mismatch. Not sure if the recievers that upscale to 4k will sort that out for you or not.

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#1467482 11-Jan-2016 12:12

Yeah you won't get HD audio over anything other than hdmi.

Much like when hdmi itself first came out, the early adopters got stung. Given you can't get 4k bluray players yet (only upscaling ones? anyone know what the current go is on this?) I'd personally hold off and upgrade the receiver AND the bluray player at a much later date together.

Presently 4k is most likely to be streamed, in which case I highly doubt it will have HD audio attached.
Just saying that presently I don't see the receiver as being tremendously important in the decision.

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#1467490 11-Jan-2016 12:29

Jaxson: Yeah you won't get HD audio over anything other than hdmi.

Much like when hdmi itself first came out, the early adopters got stung. Given you can't get 4k bluray players yet (only upscaling ones? anyone know what the current go is on this?) I'd personally hold off and upgrade the receiver AND the bluray player at a much later date together.

Presently 4k is most likely to be streamed, in which case I highly doubt it will have HD audio attached.
Just saying that presently I don't see the receiver as being tremendously important in the decision.

UHD players are about to land in the US. The time gap between the US and NZ is getting closer all the time.
Expect Samsung to be first into the fray, Panasonic may not bring their uber expensive recorder in though...
4K streaming will only improve by all accounts, with companies announcing they're delving into UHD streaming services - as well as ATMOS streaming.

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#1467612 11-Jan-2016 14:15

Dunnersfella:

UHD players are about to land in the US. The time gap between the US and NZ is getting closer all the time.
Expect Samsung to be first into the fray, Panasonic may not bring their uber expensive recorder in though...
4K streaming will only improve by all accounts, with companies announcing they're delving into UHD streaming services - as well as ATMOS streaming.

Thanks for the update Dunnersfella

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#1467622 11-Jan-2016 14:26

richms:
MrFlower:

This TV will be everyday viewing/news...etc. we have a dedicated entertainment room which we are yet to put anything in there.

In that case perhaps go smaller since everyday stuff is silly on a giant wall sized display. Keep the big screen for the entertainment.

we like big tv.....

anyway I have put a hold on the tv - the other available option from Noel Leeming is either the Samsung or Sony's KD75X9100C, the 9100c is double the price of the 75 inch 1080P (W850c). I know the 9100c is a good tv but at $9000 (RRP $9999)? I can have the W850C for $4700 (RRP $5499).

Who knows maybe this time next year a 4K 75" tv will be as low as $5k-6k.

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#1470120 13-Jan-2016 15:36

MrFlower:
richms:
MrFlower:

This TV will be everyday viewing/news...etc. we have a dedicated entertainment room which we are yet to put anything in there.

In that case perhaps go smaller since everyday stuff is silly on a giant wall sized display. Keep the big screen for the entertainment.

we like big tv.....

anyway I have put a hold on the tv - the other available option from Noel Leeming is either the Samsung or Sony's KD75X9100C, the 9100c is double the price of the 75 inch 1080P (W850c). I know the 9100c is a good tv but at $9000 (RRP $9999)? I can have the W850C for $4700 (RRP $5499).

Who knows maybe this time next year a 4K 75" tv will be as low as $5k-6k.

Here you go:

https://www.noelleeming.co.nz/shop/all-televisions-online/sony-kd-75x9100c-75-ultra-high-definition-smart-led-with-android-tv/prod139402.html

Sony KD-75X9100C on sale for $7999. Is that a better price? Ticks all the boxes for you: 75", 4k, HDR and HDMI 2.0a with HDCP 2.2. Should do you fine for a few years at least!

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#1470145 13-Jan-2016 16:06

I'd be tempted to wait if you can - LG will have big OLEDs this year (65 and 75 flat, not curved, UHD).
Don't know what price, but OLED is sexy.

Usually new models are about April?

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#1470148 13-Jan-2016 16:19

trig42: I'd be tempted to wait if you can - LG will have big OLEDs this year (65 and 75 flat, not curved, UHD).
Don't know what price, but OLED is sexy.

Usually new models are about April?

With the current (curved) 65" LG 65EG960T going for around the $10k mark on special I can't see the new ones being any cheaper than that. And a 75" OLED I'd expect more like the $20K mark!

But you are right... OLED is damn sexy! A FLAT OLED is probably the only thing that could pry me away from my VT60!

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#1470366 13-Jan-2016 21:06

Sigh... I hate the 4k label, it's 2160p

I believe some caution needs to be exercised with purchases currently, there will be some compatibility issues with displays and peripherals until the delivery system standardizes.

Just consider that from HDMI1.0 which took a number of years to settle too 1.4, HDMI2.0 became 2.0a recently to include HDR, but really there is no content yet, not unto the players actually come to market, which may be 2~3rd quarter this year. There will be revisions once these come to market, that is the harsh reality, but I see obsolescence with displays right now.

Another issue with HDMI, I'm just testing a video processor which is a 4k in and output device. It is becoming apparent cables are going to be a problem for some. The new HDMI 2.0a 4k chips are sensitive to cables, where active cables seem to work best. There are cheap active cables, so it isn't so much a cost thing but a type thing. Can your wall run HDMI cable handle 18Gbps?? Many are just 9Gbps. I'm have trouble with a RX-A3040 receiver in this mix as well.

With the above, be aware that currently Rec2020 is not being implemented yet other than resolution which is for the most of us an up scaled video processor(if you have one) or display result. Currently you only have Rec709 at 8bit with more resolution.

When the players come, with a 2160p source it could well be 10bit at true 422 or even 444

Personally I'm not going 2160p until the transport and some content is on the shelves.

Oh the size and distance thing, I sit 3m from a 106in screen and it's verging on being to far(about 30degrees viewing angle). For 2160p I'll probably go scope 2.35~2.4 out to 120in+, and stay at 3m distance.
The problem with displays even 75~80in types, is that to appreciate the 2160p material you need to be about 2m from the screen. From memory roughly 50degrees viewing angle. Frankly I find panels uncomfortable at close ranges.

However as others allude to that they find the viewing distance thing difficult, part of this is explained in processing, steps and increments in grey scale with correctly adjusted white balance and ETOF(gamma in old terms) convince your brain of greater sharpness, detail and even more apparent colour.

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#1470519 14-Jan-2016 08:37

Masterpiece: Can your wall run HDMI cable handle 18Gbps??

Definitely! I paid extra at Harvey Norman 5 years ago for the 'High Speed' gold ones. They cost much more than the others, so I know I'm safe...

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