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#116362 26-Apr-2013 17:39
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Looking at replacing my WDTV box which I stream to from my PC with a dedicated HTPC. 



I'm primarily looking to manage and view my vast collection of blu rays and DVD's and use something like XBMC to access.  I would also use it as the dedicated box for accessing Netflix which my PS3 is currently pointed at and then streaming that onto the Telly or Projector. 

The issue I may ( or may not have) is everything I currently own is connected using HDMI. All my video and sound are pumped down HDMI into a matrix switch and then onto different receivers for processing. It's a multi room setup that I use the switch for as per the attached jpg.

Having read some posts, I get the feeling audio over HDMI in a HTPC can be dodgy at the best of times and many posts seem to refer to lots of hair pulling etc.

I'm really looking for a decent setup, running on Windows that is a movie server first and foremost with a great looking interface for the kids and family to use. It wouldn't be used for gaming or much else for that matter ( apart from Netflix ).  I'm not looking to insert any TV cards etc at this stage as SKY gives me everything I need in that space.

I've created a jpeg to explain the current setup. Long story short - I have SKY, PS3, WDTV and DVD Player hooked through the switch so I can play different sources in the LCD and projector rooms.  A dedicate bluray player also feeds the projector room alongside the switch. Current setup lets me show any device in any of the two rooms at the same time so I can be playing PS3 on the LCD while the kids are watching SKY on the projector etc.  I'm keen not to break this setup if I can avoid it.

Any tips or advice appreciated prior to me offloading a chunk of cash to run into subsequent problems. Thanks again.






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  #806085 26-Apr-2013 19:31
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Just directly replace the WDTV Streaming with an HTPC

I'd suggest you get an AMD Trinity CPU A6 or A8 as the onboard video is better than intel equivalent and its cheaper. You can get away with an A4, but I would suggest A6 is better.

If you have problems with the HDMI output then grab a gefen hdmi detective or an HDMI-doctor, they cost around $100-150 from memory




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  #806114 26-Apr-2013 20:55
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The simple answer would just build a little HTPC (or get an Intel NUC) and rum XBMC which rocks at pretty much everything.

My personal set up I have two Raspberry Pi's for each TV and then a NAS to keep all the media. Then there is a SQL database so the library's are all nicely indexed and exactly the same on each Pi. I think it probably helps out the SD cards on the Pi not having to do as many writes as the database isn't local to them. I dont know that for sure though.

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  #806122 26-Apr-2013 21:17
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Thanks for the comments so far. I'll most likely avoid the raspberry pi as I think that runs on Linux and I'm looking for idiot proof for me.  One of the guys in the office has them and swears by them however.

Also looked at the QNAP TS-469L which would probably do as well but its a lot of cash for a box of not a lot.

I'll keep shopping around and reading a bit before spending the $$$.

My biggest concern was audio issues over HDMI based on what I read across several forums. 

I'm pretty comfortable the CPU can do most of the decoding and that'll save me $$$ of a GFX card.

Thanks again





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  #806140 26-Apr-2013 21:58
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Well, for what it's worth, I'm running an AMD Llano A6, XBMC based HTPC over HDMI to Yamaha receiver and have had zero problems with - been very impressed with it in fact. The impression I get is that the AMDs generally "just work" for HTPC duties with XBMC.

Also sharing an XBMC database between it and 2 desktops that occasionally run XBMC.

I also looked at NAS units but in the end just built a cheapish pentium G645 "home server" which runs great. I think it worked out a fair bit cheaper than most of the 4 bay NAS units and will hold 10 HDDs if I ever need that many.




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  #806141 26-Apr-2013 22:03
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The Intel NUC is a great little HTPC. But storage is not its strength. If you want storage and don't already have a NAS then the QNAP TS-469L is a much better option.

Having played with both I really like the NUC, but only because we already have a NAS in the home office... The other thing is that we use the NUC as out TV tuner as well, since we have a HDHomerun in our network.





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  #806149 26-Apr-2013 22:59
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Thanks again for the tips. I also have a Nas ( Readynas RND 4000 ) beside my desktop pc that i currently use for backup of my files etc. Its on the home network so should also be 'findable' via the ethernet points beside all my AV gear.

Could i use this for storage ? -its currently Raid with x3 Seagate Barracuda 3Tb drives in it plus a spare slot.

If i stored the movies etc on that what options would i have re the HTCP build so that i could use xmbc or equivalent as an interface as well as on demand netflix streaming ?

As per previous posts an AMD appears to be a good option. Im guessing id need a small SSD for windows OS and all other storage would be NAS based ?

Just a box, board, cpu, cooler??, OS DRIVE - is that about it?

Sorry for all the questions. Still learning re this

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  #806151 26-Apr-2013 23:14
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Buy the following

AMD A6-5400k ~$105
Cheapest mATX FM2 Mobo eg. Asrock mATX FM2 Mobo ~$90
mATX Case w. PSU ~$100-150
Kingston 1x4GB DDR3 1600 ~$35
MCE Clone IR Receiver + remote (via ebay) ~$25
64gb or 128gb SSD ~$100-150 (128gb prob safer option)

Total cost ~$500

Storage is all NAS based
Don't need to buy CPU cooler, stock one is fine

You may need an HDMI EDID device if your HDMI switch gives you problems, but you don't need to buy that now.




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  #806209 27-Apr-2013 07:13
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Do you want the HTPC to do TV (freeview/sky)?






 

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  #806219 27-Apr-2013 07:51
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No to freeview. The SKY HDI is fine for us. Primarily this will be to store and access movies, TV Shows etc from my collection and stream netflix to the TV.



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  #806220 27-Apr-2013 07:52
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WDTV does all 3 of these things, in what aspect is it letting you down? I'm guessing metadata?




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  #806230 27-Apr-2013 08:38
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Yes mate. Functionality is there apart from when it has a hissy fit and grinds to a slow halt every now and again.  I've always found it to look and act a little clunky, slow to respond to commands (maybe I'm asking too much of it / pressing too many buttons too quickly), would drop out of the network for no sane reason and then would take 3 hours of resets, plug pulling etc to suddenly decide it wanted to pop back up.

Sometimes it flawless, but it can also take days !! to rebuild a media library and other times about an hour.

Thinking it's me, my lack of knowledge  or my home network configuraton I have spent countless hours on google with it and it would appear I am not a minority. When it works it's very good, when it doesn't it's hell.

Having seen the interfaces and scraping tools with other media platforms on HTPC's I am interested in migrating towards that style of presentation at some point. IF wdtv came up with something close to that versus a 1970's typeface font that didn't scroll off the screen I'd be happier and probably wealthier to boot.

I didn't know I could stream Netflix from the WDTV. Last time i tried Utube it looked like I was back on dial up but happy to proven wrong again :)

I'll spend today playing with it and report back. 



Cheers for your help again



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  #806232 27-Apr-2013 08:52
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Yes WDTV metadata scraper is lacking and it will get bogged down with large collections, especially considering that the metadata has to be accessed via network each time you scroll to the next item. HTPC software stores the metadata locally, so navigation can be a lot faster.

I just remembered, if you bought your wdtv in NZ, it probably has netflix disabled.




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  #806234 27-Apr-2013 08:57
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Yes to NZ purchase. Will let u know if i can work around :)

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  #806305 27-Apr-2013 12:02
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Short update. Just been watching netflix on the wdtv so I'm kinda stoked. Thanks for all the help. I'll continue to review HTPC stuff for now.

For what I was looking for you were correct in the wdtv doing everything I needed it to - just not as user interactive /  attractive as an HTPC etc. 

For those that are wondering, I found netflix under services in the main menu. I also found I needed to change my DNS on the device as per the unblock-us service I now use for netflix. If i didn't do that the device wouldn't connect as it's country specific.

Thanks again



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  #806359 27-Apr-2013 14:27
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freitasm: The Intel NUC is a great little HTPC. But storage is not its strength. If you want storage and don't already have a NAS then the QNAP TS-469L is a much better option.

Having played with both I really like the NUC, but only because we already have a NAS in the home office... The other thing is that we use the NUC as out TV tuner as well, since we have a HDHomerun in our network.



Personally, I think the TS-469L is expensive overkill for what he has described.

It costs, depending where you look, around $NZ 1,250. If, as the OP does, you already have media players and/or HTPCs to handle the playback, this functionality on the 469L is redundant. Personally I would save around $700 and get the QNAP TS-412 instead. Same capacity, same RAID features etc, but omits a built in media player and is less than half the cost. From my perspective, having the NAS (with its multiple drives and fans) in another room and networked, with a media player or low-noise HTPC in the actual viewing room seems like a better idea.

Also, if I was going to outlay $1,200-1,300 on a NAS then, rather than get the media player functionality, I would get more bays. Something like the Thecus N7700 Pro, which bumps the bays to 7 (and capacity from 9 to 18 TB in RAID5 configuration). Even if I only needed sub-9TB initially, I could just leave the other bays temporarily empty and expand the RAID array at a later date if needed,

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