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Topic # 145357 15-May-2014 22:47
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I'm looking for a nice clock radio to go in the kitchen.

I'm trying to find a good sounding one that has FM radio as well as internet radio options (there is a LAN port right next to where it would go), but does NOT have an iPod/iPhone dock ... finding it tricky getting that combination!

Any suggestions ?

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  Reply # 1045971 16-May-2014 03:38
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I would like to know this too. I recently bought a Tivoli Model One on Trademe for the kitchen and I'm majorly disappointed with it. In my opinion it's a an expensive POS. No presets - which I certainty knew about in advance - but it's a seriously difficult PITA to tune (analogue) and then the tuning drifts. Pulls in every station in the country but that's a real pain because it makes it really hard to find the station you want. The tuning is extremely sensitive and to compound the difficulty, the rotary tuning dial is not properly calibrated. The reputed sound/tone is good I suppose but is way too bassy for me and can't be altered.

One reason I bought it was because I wanted a real-time OTA radio - I have internet options but the lag in those mean that if you have an OTA radio going in another room, the internet radio signal is way out of sync with the OTA when you walk from room to room. 

I will probably re-sell the Tivoli and get an OTA radio with digital tuning, presets etc. Should have done that in the first place. Don't need a clock feature - will watch this thread with interest.


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  Reply # 1045977 16-May-2014 05:56
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I went shares in buying a Tivoli for my sister and have to say I wasn't impressed with the product -she loves it but I thought it was disappointing, especially related to the price.

Not sure about one that combines FM, but internet-only I'd recommend the UE Smart Radio. I and two others in my wider family have one and all of us love it. The others use them for internet radio only, whereas I have ours converted to the standard Squeezebox firmware (as we have two Duets) and use it it access Pandora and Spotify as well ( though these can be accessed I think with the original firmware; you can also download its own software onto a computer for that to act as a server for your own music - a Squeezebox-lite if you will).

We use it as a clock radio in the bedroom but the sound quality and volume would make it perfectly ideal for the kitchen environment a well. Has a battery so can be taken anywhere within the range of your wifi. Has apps on both Android and iOS as well.

Bought them all from Computer Lounge, which was great to deal with. Unsure if they still have them though.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1046022 16-May-2014 07:55
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http://www.mayogroup.co.nz/sangean-radio.html
Not cheap. But maybe a start...




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  Reply # 1046041 16-May-2014 08:34
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I agree that it may be very difficult, if not impossible, to find a unit that does both OTA FM and internet radio. That said, how about this (no OTA):

http://www.amazon.com/Grace-Digital-3-5-Inch-Display-GDI-IRC6000/dp/B004YI9NTS/ref=pd_sim_e_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=1HQKS90RBE9YA5R09C7K

There quite few radios of this general type - this one seems similar to jonathan18's UE Smart Radio above.

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  Reply # 1046271 16-May-2014 13:49
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I also got a Logitech UE Smart radio for Xmas and I wouldn't be without it.  It's just the best bedside clock-radio, with light-sensitive display dimming, sleep function and the morning alarm brings up the volume nice and slow.  Plus you can go to sleep listening to the BBC World Service rather than Fox Sport Radio!

The only slight downside is that national network stations mostly come from Auckland so the forecasts, local adverts, etc are a bit pointless (in Wellington).  But the plusses far outweigh the minuses.

It seem to use bugger all data.




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  Reply # 1046298 16-May-2014 14:34
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mclean: I also got a Logitech UE Smart radio for Xmas and I wouldn't be without it.  It's just the best bedside clock-radio, with light-sensitive display dimming, sleep function and the morning alarm brings up the volume nice and slow.  .


I looked at that one and really liked it, just wish they'd put FM radio in it as well, the only other downside was the DAB support .. which we don't get here in NZ (DAB in UK sounds great in comparison to FM, no idea why it's being ignored here)



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  Reply # 1046404 16-May-2014 16:35
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I'm a bit of a radio buff and have been down this road.

Firstly if you must have internet radio + FM your choices are limited. JB Hifi have the Cord Panorama

http://www.jbhifi.co.nz/home-theatre/cord/dab-fm-internet-radio-dlna-sku-28230/

I've only had a quick in-store listen and I wasn't impressed, also it seemed rather cheap and nasty, but to be fair perhaps in a better listening environment with a proper aerial it may perform better.

The Sangean WFR-1 is another alternative, I have one of these as a bedside radio, large, expensive but nice tone, with all the usual clock radio features. It does FM RDS/DAB+/Internet Radio and will stream from a network server. 

http://www.sangean.com/products/product_spec.asp?mid=23 

Cons are cost and the poor display, unfortunately it doesn't seem well supported with firmware updates, I'm sure more features could be added such as "playing now" information etc. Bought mine from AV World in Auckland.
It replaced a Roku Soundbridge Radio which was the best radio I've ever had, great sound, did everything AM/FM/internet/local streaming. Unfortunately they had some serious design faults that resulted in power supply and speaker failures. They are no longer available. I still have two in varying states of failure. One of these days I'll rebuild one from the parts.

A far as internet only radio goes I have both the UE Smart Radio and the Grace Mondo someone linked to above. Of these two the UE Smart is the better of the two. Better sound, features and build quality. The Grace does have a battery but it's extra and it's built entirely for the North American and European market. You can't even set a time zone outside of those markets. My recommendation is definitely the Smart Radio for features or the Sangean for sound. But no FM with the UE and the comments about lag are valid.

On the subject of Tivoli radios, I have a stable of these too. Apart from the PAL series which I do quite like, they fall into the Bose camp, over-priced and over-stated. They do an internet radio with FM for about $1000!


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  Reply # 1046424 16-May-2014 17:11
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I have a tivoli model 1 and find it very good. However I only paid 50 dollars for it from a second hand shop. I think people partly get them for their looks, and they do have a good deep sound. I have got mine connected to my iPod via blue tooth so use the internet radio in the iPod. If you want something small with good sound the tivoli pals are nice but they are all very expensive if you buy them new in NZ

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  Reply # 1046620 16-May-2014 20:42
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I've got several portable / tabletop radios. My 2c on each of them (but note, none of the below are 'net capable):

1) Tivoli PAL.
Pros:
Nice form factor, rechargeable and very portable. Good battery life (and when the battery cell eventually wears out you can rebuild your own pack easily enough). Decent sound for the size - surprisingly deep and resonant. Well built.
Cons:
Pricey (but the value is reasonable, IMHO). Analogue tuning dial (may or not be to your preference - it works well enough). No preset stations. No clock or alarm features.

2) Tangent Duo (http://www.techdigest.tv/2008/11/sennheiser_goes.html).
Pros:
Snug form factor. Has alarm, timer etc. Sound is good (for the size - it's still a portable unit with a single speaker, after all). Real wood. Nice build quality (not so good as the Tivoli One though). Cheaper than Tivoli.
Cons: 
Not sure how available it is - I got mine cheap from Aussie (Rio Sound & Audio) a year or so ago on "run out stock". Analogue alarm clock is old school and not necessarily "to the second" accurate in terms of how you set it. Analogue tuning dial. No station presets.

3) Sangean PR-D15 (the update to the PR-D5 available on the may group site linked above - rechargeable).
Pros:
Cheapest of the three (at least if purchased from Amazon using a mail forwarder). Stereo capable i.e. has two speakers. Digital tuning, alarm & clock features. Station presets (yay!). Excellent FM and AM reception and tuning clarity - great for fringe areas and 1Hz digital tuning steps allows good separation in urban areas.
Cons:
Sound is not quite as good as expected, given larger form factor than the other two radios above. Less portable than the other two, but still portable (and can run on batteries). If bought overseas, factor in a $25 NZ D/C power adaptor.

Any more questions about any of these, I can at least give you my anecdotes.

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  Reply # 1046693 16-May-2014 21:48
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mattwnz: I have a tivoli model 1 and find it very good. However I only paid 50 dollars for it from a second hand shop. I think people partly get them for their looks, and they do have a good deep sound. I have got mine connected to my iPod via blue tooth so use the internet radio in the iPod. If you want something small with good sound the tivoli pals are nice but they are all very expensive if you buy them new in NZ


We have had a Tivoli One in our kitchen for 10 years.
Totally reliable.
Good FM reception without an external aerial.
Great sound.
Good looks - looks retro but state-of-the-art inside.
Expensive but worth it - not disposable junk.
Quality costs.





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  Reply # 1046700 16-May-2014 21:57
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mattwnz: I have a tivoli model 1 and find it very good. However I only paid 50 dollars for it from a second hand shop. I think people partly get them for their looks, and they do have a good deep sound. I have got mine connected to my iPod via blue tooth so use the internet radio in the iPod. If you want something small with good sound the tivoli pals are nice but they are all very expensive if you buy them new in NZ


We have had a Tivoli One in our kitchen for 10 years.
Totally reliable.
Good FM reception without an external aerial.
Great sound.
Good looks - looks retro but state-of-the-art inside.
Expensive but worth it - not disposable junk.
Quality costs.



Agree with all that. The second hand one I got, the person had put vivid marks on the dial for the stations they liked, but a bit of alcohol on it cleaned it all up and looks as good as new. Only issue I have is the volume knob can be a little crackly at times, but nothing major. I don't think there is much that compares with the build quality unless you go into a higher price bracket.

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  Reply # 1047571 18-May-2014 19:03
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To be fair, if you've got a volume pot that crackles, the build quality doesn't sound very good at all...

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  Reply # 1047581 18-May-2014 19:17
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I can't believe that anyone would like a radio with an analog tuning dial on it.

And the POS Tivoli I saw just had a know pointing at numbers like I would expect on a $5 radio. Sounded awful like it had a blown tweeter and was ported to have a massive response around 200hz with nothing below it. Have heard better speakerphones.




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  Reply # 1047649 18-May-2014 22:35
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Dunnersfella: To be fair, if you've got a volume pot that crackles, the build quality doesn't sound very good at all...

 

Second hand though, so it may have been caused by something. But if I rotate it left and right a few times, it seems to fix it, so maybe dust. 

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  Reply # 1047672 19-May-2014 00:18
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mattwnz:
Dunnersfella: To be fair, if you've got a volume pot that crackles, the build quality doesn't sound very good at all...

Second hand though, so it may have been caused by something. But if I rotate it left and right a few times, it seems to fix it, so maybe dust. 


The pot (potentiometer) in the volume knob will be oxidised. If you're halfway handy, pull it apart and give it a squirt with Deoxit or similar and work it back and forth a dozen or 50 times.

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