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# 177284 28-Jul-2015 19:31
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Hey all

Not sure if I'm in in the right forum, but just need some advice and recommendations.


We are over Skys monthly cost and lack of service and support..., but technology has over taken my knowledge, so need some help with what's right for me and my family.

What I'm after is the ability to record TV while watching other channels on 1 TV... But be cool to get that on 2 tellys if I can....

Not overly concerned with sport or movies specifically, but handy to access when needed. Fair cop on missing the RWC, but I can live without it, and visit family and friends for the big games.

We have easy access to recable the house and run leads, so we're not fully locked to Sky's set up.

What I would like is "multi room" set up, and documentaries and kids programs, with your standard freeview programs accessed and recorded when needed..plus docos and cooking channel if we can still get them. Would be awesome to have a hub setup, but how do you do that easily these days?

What's best price, worth investment, and good value. We are a hybrid family with Apple and Android products so we're tech enabled, just need to ditch the Sky hook they have on many, and get outta the complacency of paying sky, and being more independent.

Any advice taken ??

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  # 1353733 28-Jul-2015 19:48
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I think you need to get over the mindset of recording TV.  There is no need to do that with the On Demand services that are available nowadays.  Like you, I've recently ditched Sky after 20 years of unbroken subscription.  By looking at what BBC iPlayer has to offer, and also ITV Player, as well as Al Jazeera and DW TV, I've replaced all the programmes we used to record from Sky with free streaming services, or downloads in the case of BBC and DW TV.  Downloading is preferable IMO because it doesn't matter how busy your internet connection is at the time, the file will eventually complete its download and you can watch without any buffering.

UnoTelly unlocks BBC iPlayer, ITV, 4oD and about 370 other channels around the world for less than NZ$5 per month, which is a bargain in anyone's terms compared to what Sky charge.  If you aren't already familiar with it, I suggest taking a look:

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  # 1353763 28-Jul-2015 20:12
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I hate watching "tv" on the internet. I love recording 1080i tv.




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  # 1353776 28-Jul-2015 20:28
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joker97: I hate watching "tv" on the internet. I love recording 1080i tv.

What about downloading HD content from BBC iPlayer?

I'm not sure whether it's 720p or 1080p but it looks pretty damn good on my Panasonic Plasma.

The thing I've noticed is how much better most streamed or downloaded content is compared to the heavily-compressed Sky SD channels.  The same programmes I used to watch on Sky look far better when downloaded from the original broadcaster.





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  # 1353840 28-Jul-2015 21:21
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I'm going to make an assumption that you can get terrestrial reception (which you don't state).

If you want to record TV and watch other channels when you do so, with a multi-room setup, I recommend looking at Panasonic DVD recorders. They are twin-tuner, so if you connect the aerial through the Panny and then to the TV you can record two channels (on the Panny) while watching a third (using the TV's tuner). Plus, they are networkable so if you get a couple then you can watch whatever your recorded on any machine on any other machine, or media players that will pick up DLNA feeds.

The trouble with Freeview only is the dearth of good content, and the saturation-bombing of advertisements (not that many of Sky's basic-package channels are much better). Personally, I would be struggling to find one thing on FV in an evening that I want to watch, let alone two simultaneously.

The other option is Lightbox/Netflix, which is much cheaper than Sky, if you want movies and TV on demand without ads.

I recommend a Panny unit, plus Lightbox and/or Netflix. Better than Sky, except for sport, and at a much lower cost. Which is why I am close to dumping Sky as well.

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  # 1353897 28-Jul-2015 22:11
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I have heard only good things about netflix. And only bad things about Lightbox. No experience, as I don't enjoy internet tv. (me internet too slow maybe)




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  # 1354335 29-Jul-2015 12:47
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Good ideas, thanks folks!...

You are right, I need to look at changing mindsets, but old habits eh!

We have acess to signals etc so I think we will be covered - and cable access under the house is simple as, therefore we have plenty to consider.

Thanks again, I'll use these ideas as a starter for 10 and work backwards :)


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  # 1354361 29-Jul-2015 12:58
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We're in the process of ditching MySky and multiroom; have purchased a DishTV satBox with internal HD and have been using it for the last week or so to record and watch some of the programmes on FreeView channels that we like. It works well, and was easy to setup.

We are also using Lightbox and Netflix which we cast from our mobiles through a ChromeCast. We have no issues with either of these services.

Thinking about Unotelly to expand what we have access to online.

There have been several similar threads lately and a lot of people have been saying to avoid the Panasonic PVR's etc for a variety of reasons. It would pay to do some searching around on Geekzone for these other threads and having a read.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1354370 29-Jul-2015 13:09
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grant_k:
joker97: I hate watching "tv" on the internet. I love recording 1080i tv.

What about downloading HD content from BBC iPlayer?

I'm not sure whether it's 720p or 1080p but it looks pretty damn good on my Panasonic Plasma.

The thing I've noticed is how much better most streamed or downloaded content is compared to the heavily-compressed Sky SD channels.  The same programmes I used to watch on Sky look far better when downloaded from the original broadcaster.


How do you download streamed content? Ta




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  # 1354371 29-Jul-2015 13:10
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I would hold off for a bit as this Freeview Plus PVR is being released next month. It'll record 2 channels while watching another, has a reverse EPG and has the on demand apps from TVNZ, Mediaworks & Maori TV. Combine that with Netflix, which I have and love, and you'll be set.
http://www.dishtv.co.nz/Freeview-Digital-TV-Recorders/170-aerialBox-T2200-FreeviewPlus-Recorder/flypage_web2_lite.tpl.htm


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  # 1354433 29-Jul-2015 14:20
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joker97: How do you download streamed content? Ta

The best online video services such as BBC iPlayer, DW-TV etc offer a choice of downloading or streaming.

However, for those which don't, such as Netflix there are ways around it:

NightShift time shifter for Netflix

NightShift is aimed at people whose internet connections are either slow, or prohibitively expensive for large amounts of data during peak-time viewing hours.

For those who would rather do it without any special hardware such as NightShift requires, there seem to be other options:

Netflix Downloader





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  # 1354451 29-Jul-2015 14:39
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grant_k: Netflix Downloader

Have you used this and if so did it work well?

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  # 1354462 29-Jul-2015 14:47
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I've been trying to ditch Sky for a long time, but I am having a hell of a time finding Sports services to replace them. Obvious ones being NRL, Super Rugby, Cricket and All Blacks matches.

Anyone have any suggestions for this? Has to be good quality HD

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  # 1354464 29-Jul-2015 14:49
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well, regardless of what you do on the Freeview front,  you should definitely give the many streaming services a try  (Netflix, Lightbox, Neon).  they all offer free trials and 'leave anytime' contracts, so you don't need to get advice from people here about which one to use - you can find out yourself.

What's more, they are so much cheaper than Sky that you will probably find the best option is to have 2 of them going at once.
I pay for both Lightbox and Netflix and it's only around $25/month and I always have something I want to watch.  (probably watch Lightbox a bit more than Netflix as I find the TV content better for me and my wife,  although the kids prefer Netflix).

I haven't watched a single thing on broadcast TV for months. (I think maybe the cricket world cup final was the only thing I have from normal TV watched since Xmas)




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  # 1354471 29-Jul-2015 14:55
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If you are in an area that has HD feed over aerial then great, if you are in a satellite feed area then its slightly different.


Yep IMO ditch sky - unless you really really really must have an HD feed and are in a satellite feed only region for freeview.  Sky are the only way you will get HD as Freeview does not broadcast over satellite in HD (Astounding I know ! its ludicrous..! im slightly upset by this)

Freeview for standard channels 1-4 (which lets be honest don't really show much these days other than cooking/singing/UK re-runs/cop-tastic and voyeuristic TV shows...)

Internet based TV -

Lightbox - NZ based for TV shows - not a bad selection but is limited and of course no movies or sports but hey im getting it free til next march.


Netflix - Yey ! wide selection of tv shows, documentaries and films - combine this with unotelly or similar to gain international selection and your options for films and tv content expand rapidly from thousands to tens of thousands of hours.

BBC / ITV players - again with the use of unotelly and DNS services the international TV content opens up massively to include sport, films, documentaries and original tv series.


With the onset of TV's that now have wifi built in or can have a dongle added to gain wifi there is no real need to rip the walls out for re-cabling unless you are looking at running hdmi (or CAT5/6) connections to a centralised matrix switch. 

The use of chromecast/appletv or other media unit which can be bought relatively cheaply and plugged in to your Tv set be it bedroom/lounge/office/garden shed.. that can link to your router offers a huge and I really mean massively huge content library from around the globe ...IN HD !!... why would you want to be limited to Sky.  

If anything these days its your bandwidth and data allowance that are your restricting factors.

I have a new Freeview box coming. On top of that I have TV's with wifi/internet capability and have HDMI/CAT5 run around the house all leading back to a router and a WDTV live fed through a matrix switch. Sky is now defunct in our house or at least will be in about 6 weeks time when we finally terminate, now the super rugby is finished..

oh and I am pretty sure im going to figure out how to get Super 15 and international rugby streamed soon enough... ITV player for the world cup as a starter..

To answer your question "Ditch sky, whats best?" I think the answer is really ..anything you like and probably everything is.

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edit - thought I would add... at the moment our current TV viewing is ..

me and wife : trundling through Boston Legal back catalogue on Lightbox, Vikings on LB also..

me and the kids : loving the back catalogue of star trek enterprise on Netflix USA

the kids : loving star wars clone wars on Netflix NZ

the family : movies on Netflix Canada (for some reason they seem to get an awesome amount of new movies !)

me : watching Uk sitcoms on BBc iplayer and random films the missus doesn't want to watch on Netflix (wherever using Dynamo)

missus : watching docos on Netflix and lightbox

what I would consider terrestrial TV (channels 1-4) we watch the news (which we could watch streamed now..), the ITM fishing show on a sunday and the crowd goes wild.  Super 15 on sky but that's now finished.

 

   

      



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  # 1354503 29-Jul-2015 15:34
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grant_k: Netflix Downloader

Have you used this and if so did it work well?

No I haven't used this myself.  I keep hoping that the situation on Netflix will improve, but haven't yet found enough of interest to bother subscribing.  If they actually start producing some of the rumoured shows like Clarkson/May/Hammond I could be interested and there was also mention of a movie directed by Angelina Jolie that looks promising.

Currently, BBC iPlayer, ITV Player and DW-TV provide enough for the time I have available.





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