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Topic # 195292 14-Apr-2016 11:44
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Hi,

 

 

 

Sound bars.  I think I need to get one for a family member who has a Veon TV, and therefore essentially no useable onboard audio.

 

 

 

The Warehouse used to sell their own cheap option, but they don't have this listed on their site anymore.

 

 

 

How do these normally turn on and off though?

 

 

 

I need something that comes on with the TV and goes off with the TV, or at a pinch is on all the time, but is silent when not being used.

 

 

 

Any idea, thoughts, experiences, watch out fors etc?

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

Jaxson.


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  Reply # 1532958 14-Apr-2016 11:49
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A quick search on this forum might help

 

Links such as 

 

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=34&topicid=192132


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  Reply # 1532961 14-Apr-2016 11:53
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If you have HDMI ARC on the TV, which some of the veons have, then it will turn on and off as needed and sometimes sort out using the volume control too.

 

If not, then you will have to use the coax out on the veon, which is rare on soundbars which usually have optical in, so that would be a converter you would have to buy too, and then power it off and on yourself.

 

Watch for stupid bright blue lights behind the grill, because you cant tape them up when they light the whole grill up.





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  Reply # 1532994 14-Apr-2016 12:45
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qwertee:

 

A quick search on this forum might help

 

Links such as 

 

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=34&topicid=192132

 

 

 

 

Thanks, that great.




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  Reply # 1532995 14-Apr-2016 12:48
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richms:

 

If you have HDMI ARC on the TV, which some of the veons have, then it will turn on and off as needed and sometimes sort out using the volume control too.

 

If not, then you will have to use the coax out on the veon, which is rare on soundbars which usually have optical in, so that would be a converter you would have to buy too, and then power it off and on yourself.

 

Watch for stupid bright blue lights behind the grill, because you cant tape them up when they light the whole grill up.

 

 

 

 

So you're saying hdmi between TV and Sound bar?

 

 

 

Yeah from memory in other discussions, one of the Veon hdmi ports has ARC enabled, hdmi 2 as I recall.

 

 

 

Agree that might provide the smarts to turn it on and off.  It needs to be really simple, like really really realy simple, so that automation might be ideal.

 

I couldn't see a way to do via say optical, unless there were some minimum level smarts on the line in to detect audio for example.

 

 

 

Thanks.


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  Reply # 1533005 14-Apr-2016 13:04
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The cheap ($400) Sony model HTCT180 doesn't have an HDMI input, only optical, analogue (headphone) and bluetooth.  The only way to turn it off is by IR remote or finger on the button.  It also has an occasional synchronisation issue which requires a power cycle to reset.





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  Reply # 1533007 14-Apr-2016 13:10
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I had an LG for a while with ARC on it, worked fine with my samsung and LG TV, returned because it had horrible rattly fake bass and IMO sounded worse than the TV at normal volumes. Sure, it went heaps louder but was still bloody aweful.





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  Reply # 1533020 14-Apr-2016 13:29
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When I was considering a sound bar only some had HDMI.  A lot only had optical audio ...





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  Reply # 1533024 14-Apr-2016 13:37
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I have a Sony (370 is the end of the model number).

 

It has 3 HDMI inputs, and one output which is ARC. Would do the job fine with your TV if it has ARC.




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  Reply # 1533039 14-Apr-2016 14:10
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trig42:

 

I have a Sony (370 is the end of the model number).

 

It has 3 HDMI inputs, and one output which is ARC. Would do the job fine with your TV if it has ARC.

 

 

 

 

Thanks all.

 

 

 

At the moment we're running a Sony hometheare bluray package, but that takes 30s to turn on every time from startup until the audio in Aux function starts up.

 

I'm proposing dropping this altogether in favour of a sound bar and now I'm considering even just leaving the sound bar on full time.

 

 

 

With them being in a non DVB-T reception area, and with TV's not having real speakers anymore, this has made the whole setup a lot more complicated than just turning a TV on.

 

For those with limited mobility and reducing ability to fault find, this is quite frustrating.

Thanks for all the comments thus far.


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The amount of power used by a Sound Bar in standby mode would be miniscule, so unless it's very easy to implement, I wouldn't worry about it.

I have my Roku 4 hooked up with ARC (or something similar) so it comes on and goes off with the TV.  That has a fairly grunty CPU so it's worth it for the power saving.






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  Reply # 1535320 19-Apr-2016 08:27
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So tried the veon sound bar over the weekend.

 

The Veon TV my parents have does not have any audio output other than digital coax.  There was no ARC marked on the hdmi inputs either.  This ruled out the Sony soundbar at the warehouse, as this was optical only.  In my case I'm not prepared to have an adapter, although I do realise such things are available Richms. 

 


The Veon Soundbar was fine as far as restoring the tv speaker sound you used to get, before they stopped including them in the TV set itself. 

The Veon TV digital coax output doesn't ramp the volume up and down.  So once you go above volume 0 on the TV, it's all on.  That's not a huge problem, but would mean retraining the Harmony Remote to change the soundbar volume and not the TV's.  Not a biggy, but worth mentioning. 

However, it's a fairly smart soundbar, so has Bluetooth and an FM radio etc.  It defaults to line in should the power go off, so in my case the remote control would still be required every time there was a power outage. 

 


The real kicker for me though, was that you switch sauces via the included remote, which used the same frequencies as the dtvs Freeview sat box...
So changing down a channel changed the sound at input from TV to radio.
Selecting the Coax again via the Veon Soundbar remote, entered the number 5 on the freeview receiver.  And so on.
End result a setup that just wasn't going to work.

 

This isn't Veon's fault, but it made it unusable for us, so it was returned.



My take on all of this:

IF you are using a Veon TV as a display device only, in conjunction with a receiver and surround speakers etc, then it will be fine for the money. As a monitor only it's not bad.

There are no discrete input IR commands and the onboard sound is rubbish. In my parents case we are looking at selling it all and moving to a name brand TV. The integration problems are not worth the hassle, in my case especially where I'm trying to simplify the whole thing right right down.   The addition of a soundbar that has it's own remote etc is just heading in the wrong direction for what I'm trying to achieve in my case.

The challenge for me now is to find a cheap TV for satellite use with decent onboard sound. Actually my existing Panasonic 50" plasma may fit that bill... Space wise I think it needs to be 46" or smaller though, probably 42" if it has a fat surround bezel.



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