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Dingbatt

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#238011 28-Jun-2018 15:55
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Now that Panasonic's OLED sets have arrived I am interested to note that the model they are calling the FZ950 here is akin to the FZ800 model being offered overseas.
Overseas, the FZ950 has a premium finish and a soundbar (same as last year's EZ1000) and the FZ800 has a more budget finish (like last year's EZ950). While the panels and processing appears to be identical between the 950 and 800 what reason could Panasonic have for not using the same model numbering in NZ (and Australia) as they do in the rest of the world?
If it's to meet a price point by not including the soundbar, then surely it is an FZ800?
As someone that checks out overseas reviews for help in choosing a set, this is almost like a 'bait and switch' deal.




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Paul1977
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  #2045895 29-Jun-2018 09:40
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I had noticed that all the reviews were talking about the EZ1000-esq design and soundbar on the FZ950, but that ours didn't have it. But I hadn't realised there was an FZ800 model overseas that was actually the same as our FZ950.

 

The NZ and Australian numbering is actually more consistent with last years than it is overseas. Our FZ950 (without the sound bar) seems like a more logical model number to replace last years EZ950.

 

I agree that it does make comparing a bit difficult when all the reviews are from overseas, I guess you need to go by the FZ800 reviews (which are very good).


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  #2046442 30-Jun-2018 15:38
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I have just bought this TV and if it helps, I note that it came with the high quality version of the remote, not the one that apparently comes with the FZ800. as far as I can tell it is the FZ950 minus the sound bar and second remote. Getting to the actual picture (and video motion handling) I could not be more happy, frankly it is a revelation, the literally perfect blacks put a massive smile on my face when watching movies at night. I finally upgraded from a Panasonic Plasma, and was waiting for them to bring out an OLED equivalent before finally making the jump to 4K HDR. It was worth it, but I am glad I waited until now, I think this is about the right time to make the switch.

 

 





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  #2047279 2-Jul-2018 10:35
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Quidam:

 

I have just bought this TV and if it helps, I note that it came with the high quality version of the remote, not the one that apparently comes with the FZ800. as far as I can tell it is the FZ950 minus the sound bar and second remote. Getting to the actual picture (and video motion handling) I could not be more happy, frankly it is a revelation, the literally perfect blacks put a massive smile on my face when watching movies at night. I finally upgraded from a Panasonic Plasma, and was waiting for them to bring out an OLED equivalent before finally making the jump to 4K HDR. It was worth it, but I am glad I waited until now, I think this is about the right time to make the switch.

 

 

@Quidam out of curiosity, can you advise whether the LAN port on the FZ950 is Gigabit, or just 100Mbps?

 

The one disappointment with my LG C8 is that it is only 100Mbps, which has forced me to use AC wifi to get a fast enough connection for streaming full UHD Blu-Ray remuxes. Sony have also stuck with 100Mbps this year, so I was wondering what Panasonic were doing (can't find a definitive answer).

 

What made you go with the Panasonic, was it just because you were going from a Panasonic Plasma?


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  #2048432 3-Jul-2018 16:47
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Paul1977:

 

@Quidam out of curiosity, can you advise whether the LAN port on the FZ950 is Gigabit, or just 100Mbps?

 

The one disappointment with my LG C8 is that it is only 100Mbps, which has forced me to use AC wifi to get a fast enough connection for streaming full UHD Blu-Ray remuxes. Sony have also stuck with 100Mbps this year, so I was wondering what Panasonic were doing (can't find a definitive answer).

 

What made you go with the Panasonic, was it just because you were going from a Panasonic Plasma?

 

 

That's a very interesting question. The back of the user manual reveals it to be a 100Base-TX so sadly no, it is not a gigabit port, although I have to concede I don't personally need more bandwidth than that. The Ethernet connection is being used primarily to run the native Netflix Ap. Other than that my main media device is a HTPC via HDMI which does all the heavy lifting, including a few UHD 4K transcodes/remuxes, but mostly 1080p/720p x264 and x265 transcodes (rec.709), of which I have terabytes of, to be blunt. In fact most of my time has been spent tuning the picture to SDR Rec.709 content, and I'll just slowly "transition" into the world of rec 2020 HDR content as time goes on. I have not even bought a UHD player yet, probably going to get the new Panny one that supports Dolby Vision since it is not supported by the TV. Actually, in reference to your question, I wonder if a work-around for your problem might be found in a player with gigabit ethernet? Or failing that get a HTPC like me :)

 

 

 

I went with Panasonic simply because I know and trust that brand. I actually still own (and love) a 65 Inch VT65 Plasma which lives in the lounge, and I have no plans at all to retire it. It has been interesting comparing its performance to the OLED with SDR/Rec 709 content. The fact is it still competes very well. Marginally less vibrant and not quite able to compete on absolute black levels but frankly the black levels are still extremely good and you can really only clearly see the difference with an entirely black screen, where the plasma still gives off a very slight glow, as versus the oled which simply disappears. I also went with Panny because of colour accuracy and because I trusted them to do a good job on motion handling and I have not been disappointed. Before I knew about this TV it was probably going to be an LG. I do feel when it comes to OLED's I don't think you can go too far wrong no matter which brand you go with.

 

 

 

 





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  #2048457 3-Jul-2018 17:23
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Quidam:

 

I have just bought this TV and if it helps, I note that it came with the high quality version of the remote, not the one that apparently comes with the FZ800. as far as I can tell it is the FZ950 minus the sound bar and second remote. Getting to the actual picture (and video motion handling) I could not be more happy, frankly it is a revelation, the literally perfect blacks put a massive smile on my face when watching movies at night. I finally upgraded from a Panasonic Plasma, and was waiting for them to bring out an OLED equivalent before finally making the jump to 4K HDR. It was worth it, but I am glad I waited until now, I think this is about the right time to make the switch.

 

 

Yep, I'm an ex-65" Panny plasma owner. I bought last year's EZ950 and I'm still smiling on a daily basis. My family are sick of me pointing out 'true black' on a regular basis!


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  #2048861 4-Jul-2018 11:29
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Quidam:

 

That's a very interesting question. The back of the user manual reveals it to be a 100Base-TX so sadly no, it is not a gigabit port, although I have to concede I don't personally need more bandwidth than that. The Ethernet connection is being used primarily to run the native Netflix Ap. Other than that my main media device is a HTPC via HDMI which does all the heavy lifting, including a few UHD 4K transcodes/remuxes, but mostly 1080p/720p x264 and x265 transcodes (rec.709), of which I have terabytes of, to be blunt. In fact most of my time has been spent tuning the picture to SDR Rec.709 content, and I'll just slowly "transition" into the world of rec 2020 HDR content as time goes on. I have not even bought a UHD player yet, probably going to get the new Panny one that supports Dolby Vision since it is not supported by the TV. Actually, in reference to your question, I wonder if a work-around for your problem might be found in a player with gigabit ethernet? Or failing that get a HTPC like me :)

 

I went with Panasonic simply because I know and trust that brand. I actually still own (and love) a 65 Inch VT65 Plasma which lives in the lounge, and I have no plans at all to retire it. It has been interesting comparing its performance to the OLED with SDR/Rec 709 content. The fact is it still competes very well. Marginally less vibrant and not quite able to compete on absolute black levels but frankly the black levels are still extremely good and you can really only clearly see the difference with an entirely black screen, where the plasma still gives off a very slight glow, as versus the oled which simply disappears. I also went with Panny because of colour accuracy and because I trusted them to do a good job on motion handling and I have not been disappointed. Before I knew about this TV it was probably going to be an LG. I do feel when it comes to OLED's I don't think you can go too far wrong no matter which brand you go with.

 

 

@Quidam Yeah, if online 4K services like Netflix are all the Ethernet connection will be used for then 100Base-TX is easily sufficient.

 

I'm really only using the TV itself to stream 4K UHD remuxes because Emby on Xbox One has an issue with HDR at the moment, where the LG WebOS version plays it fine. I have to admit though the LG WebOS is pretty good, and switching to wireless AC (while not my first choice) is working without any issues at all.

 

I'm coming from a Panasonic 55" VT50 which is still going strong, but now demoted from the primary viewing room. In truth I may well have gotten the FZ950 had I realised it's NZ release date was so close when I purchased the LG.

 

So, if your player supports Dolby Vision but the TV doesn't, will that still give you Dolby Vision on the TV (or just regular HDR)? I had assumed (perhaps in correctly) that the TV itself had to support it.


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  #2048932 4-Jul-2018 13:09
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If your TV doesnt support Dolby Vision then it should drop back to HDR10. You need Dolby Vision compatibility on both ends...eg UHD Player and Television. 


 
 
 
 


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  #2048940 4-Jul-2018 13:17
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ARIKIP:

 

If your TV doesnt support Dolby Vision then it should drop back to HDR10. You need Dolby Vision compatibility on both ends...eg UHD Player and Television. 

 

 

That's a shame, for a minute there I thought maybe there might be a workaround to my LG TV not supporting HDR10+. But presumably HDR10+ will be the same, and require everything in the chain to support it.


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  #2049113 4-Jul-2018 16:29
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Interesting, just reading a bit about it. Apparently Dolby Vision metadata doesn't get included when you remux a UHD Blu-ray.

 

That's a bit annoying as I prefer to rip to my server (like I've done with regular Blu-Rays) instead of manually load a physical disc when I want to watch something.


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  #2049352 4-Jul-2018 22:55
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Sad that You need DV on both the player and TV to get it, I made a somewhat ignorant assumption that the reason Panasonic were supporting it on their top-end player was to make up for the fact that it wasn't supported on their TV line-up. I realise now the more likely reason is that the player will be more attractive to buyers who own oleds that do have DV on their TV.

 

When it comes to dynamic HDR, I guess we just have to buckle in for the ride and see if HDR10+ starts to gain any traction. I've started reading a few UHD Bluray reviews and most of them seem to note very little variation between dynamic DV HDR and static HDR10 so it probably isn't something worth getting too hung up on anyway.

 

Also, and this is again probably just demonstrating my ignorance in relation to 4K Blurays, but I'm a little surprised it is possible to remux these discs? I would have thought the AACS 2.0 copy  protection would prevent that, then again I guess a remux does not need to do anything other than just wholesale copy the media streams, as versus transcoding, which needs to process the actual stream contents. Still, I thought playback might be a problem now that it is in a new container (mkv I'm assuming)? If someone can help clear that up I'd appreciate it. For sure I prefer to have my content on my NAS rather than scattered across physical media, but remuxing 4K Video does seem a bit excessive due to the huge space requirements, so I'm kind of on the fence on that.

 

In a way, it's kind of fun being at the start of a new learning curve (of sorts), Home AV is definitely something of a passion or at least hobby for me, and I like the cross-over it has into technology and computing, which is also something I've always been into.

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #2049396 5-Jul-2018 08:01
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So it in reading the specs, the FZ950 has HDR10+ while the LG C8 has Dolby Vision. Both have HDR10 and HLG.
Paul1977, why would you have gone for the Panasonic if it was available over the LG? Just from brand loyalty? The reason I ask is I am in negotiation at the moment and there is only $100 difference in the quoted price between the FZ950 and the C8. I have been loyal to Panasonic for TVs for many years but LG's WebOS seems a bit smoother than the Panasonic interface.




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  #2049708 5-Jul-2018 12:31
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Dingbatt: So it in reading the specs, the FZ950 has HDR10+ while the LG C8 has Dolby Vision. Both have HDR10 and HLG.
Paul1977, why would you have gone for the Panasonic if it was available over the LG? Just from brand loyalty? The reason I ask is I am in negotiation at the moment and there is only $100 difference in the quoted price between the FZ950 and the C8. I have been loyal to Panasonic for TVs for many years but LG's WebOS seems a bit smoother than the Panasonic interface.

 

@Dingbatt

 

Sort of brand loyalty, in that my Panasonic plasma has been excellent, and I've never had an LG before. Looking at the reviews each have pros and cons. Mine was a bit of a spur of the moment decision, and actually went in to get a Sony AF8 bacause of some good sale pricing. The saleman who I know (and trust) recommended the LG C8 over the AF8. He actually said his preference is usually Panasonic, but that from the OLEDs that where currently available he would go LG, and he gave me a great price on it. Note that at this point the FZ950 had not been released, and I don't really want to ask him if he thinks it's better than the LG in case he says it is!

 

I went into it not expecting to be using the smart features at all so didn't even look at them on any TV, but the LG WebOS is actually very good and I'm now using it for most things (Netflix, Lightbox, Prime Video, Emby).

 

As far as Dolby Vision vs HDR10+, I actually knew nothing about them. Salesman mentioned that LG supported Dolby Vision out of the box (I think Sony might have been waiting for a firmware update). I just assumed these were how the TV processed HDR, I didn't realise it was actually an different standard encoded in the media.

 

Netflix does Dolby Vision, and I've read Amazon does HDR10+ and Dolby Vision (although, I just tested and for some reason I'm not getting 4K or HDR at all with Amazon - so I need to investigate that).

 

When watching standard HDR content the LG has a "Dynamic Tone Mapping" feature that is meant to do it's own scene-by-scene adjustments to simulate what DV and HDR10+ does. Panasonic presumably has a similar option.

 

I think if I'd known all of this before my purchase it would have been a much trickier decision.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2049731 5-Jul-2018 12:52
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Quidam:

 

Sad that You need DV on both the player and TV to get it, I made a somewhat ignorant assumption that the reason Panasonic were supporting it on their top-end player was to make up for the fact that it wasn't supported on their TV line-up. I realise now the more likely reason is that the player will be more attractive to buyers who own oleds that do have DV on their TV.

 

When it comes to dynamic HDR, I guess we just have to buckle in for the ride and see if HDR10+ starts to gain any traction. I've started reading a few UHD Bluray reviews and most of them seem to note very little variation between dynamic DV HDR and static HDR10 so it probably isn't something worth getting too hung up on anyway.

 

Also, and this is again probably just demonstrating my ignorance in relation to 4K Blurays, but I'm a little surprised it is possible to remux these discs? I would have thought the AACS 2.0 copy  protection would prevent that, then again I guess a remux does not need to do anything other than just wholesale copy the media streams, as versus transcoding, which needs to process the actual stream contents. Still, I thought playback might be a problem now that it is in a new container (mkv I'm assuming)? If someone can help clear that up I'd appreciate it. For sure I prefer to have my content on my NAS rather than scattered across physical media, but remuxing 4K Video does seem a bit excessive due to the huge space requirements, so I'm kind of on the fence on that.

 

In a way, it's kind of fun being at the start of a new learning curve (of sorts), Home AV is definitely something of a passion or at least hobby for me, and I like the cross-over it has into technology and computing, which is also something I've always been into.

 

 

@Quidam you can use MakeMKV to remux them as long as you have a UHD "friendly" blu-ray drive that can read the disc. You also need to keep a specific file updated in the settings that has keys for each movie (I assume related to the copy protection you mentioned) - someone is obviously maintaining this file and added to it as new movies are released and finding a download link was easy enough. For example I wasn't able to do The Shape of Water when I tried, but could do some slightly older ones.

 

As I mentioned, the remux doesn't keep the Dolby Vision meta-data and so drops it down to regular HDR10. The technicalities were over my head as to why.

 

With HDR10+ being an open standard, those remuxes MAY be able to retain the meta-data as there is a better chance of someone figuring it out than with Dolby's closed standard. But with no HDR10+ Blu-Rays having been released yet we can't really know.

 

Note: I only endorse remuxing for your own personal use, and for content that you legally own.


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Really nice to see other prior Panasonic Plasma owners loving their OLED TV's. I got one of the last Panasonic Plasmas you could buy and for a couple of years I've been paranoid it'll get broken or stolen or fail catastrophically as nothing from LED was coming close to the blacks.

 

Every time there would be a black car come on screen or someone walk in wearing black leather I'd be all "ooooohhhhh, look at the blacks".

The car in Super Natural looks stunning!

 

Good to hear my response to the OLED's I've seen in store is correct - Finally something to replace the plasma.

 

As theres little 4K/UHD content around at present and until I watch some I'm more than happy at 1080P I'll keep bleeding this one dry while the OLED's come down in price.

 

Its funny as I remember years back thinking I was really happy with DVD and didn't feel I really needed HD content - Until I watched some and immediately non-HD looked complete rubbish.


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mobiusnz:

 

Really nice to see other prior Panasonic Plasma owners loving their OLED TV's. I got one of the last Panasonic Plasmas you could buy and for a couple of years I've been paranoid it'll get broken or stolen or fail catastrophically as nothing from LED was coming close to the blacks.

 

Every time there would be a black car come on screen or someone walk in wearing black leather I'd be all "ooooohhhhh, look at the blacks".

The car in Super Natural looks stunning!

 

Good to hear my response to the OLED's I've seen in store is correct - Finally something to replace the plasma.

 

As theres little 4K/UHD content around at present and until I watch some I'm more than happy at 1080P I'll keep bleeding this one dry while the OLED's come down in price.

 

Its funny as I remember years back thinking I was really happy with DVD and didn't feel I really needed HD content - Until I watched some and immediately non-HD looked complete rubbish.

 

 

I have to say, that the OLED blacks leave the Plasma in the dust (coming from a 55" Panasonic VT50).

 

Also, good quality 1080p content upscales really well and honestly looks fantastic.

 

 


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