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Topic # 239704 31-Jul-2018 09:30
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I have an old (13yo) entry level at the time Onkyo home theatre system and the sub is starting to play up. I recently replaced the Onkyo receiver with a Denon x1400h. Its in our everyday lounge and gets used every night. Room is just an average sized maybe 6m x 3.5m max

 

Old sub is 8" and 75watt I think. Main use is movies, with a little bit of music.

 

Moneys tight, was hoping to save for one around $600, but after looking online think I may have to go closer to $1000?

 

Thinking 10" minimum or 12". I want to buy something half decent , in time (very distant future) I guess I may want to upgrade my other speakers as well

 

What are some good places to start? I see a KEF Kube10 300w (unported) sub under a grand, or there is a yamaha one for around 750.

 

Or do I keep an eye out for used on trademe? I see Velodyne impact 10 subs for sale sometimes. Although most used ones I have looked at online are probably at least 10 years old and they still want $400 for them.

 

Ideas please?


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  Reply # 2065438 31-Jul-2018 09:42
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Once upon a time when I was in the market, it was a case of buying for your listening preference, and how much you wanted to shake your house appart.

 

Ported of course means you generally need a bit more on-the-label power than non ported for similar oomph. But can change the note and responsiveness.

 

Sony was your typical off the shelf brand. Bit of mid point punch. Slow response noise made for american consumed action movie rumble.

 

The Velodynes were just INSANE in their prime. Deep accurate responce through nearly the whole range. And did not hesitate at a double kick drum metallica One track or similar. I remember going to HN when they first opened and drooling over a 12" that had people at the door of the shop trying to find where the boy racers were even at low level.

 

It may still play true now. But not sure. Now you have to take into account that many of the makers come out from the same factory with a different cosmetic and component level but pretty much the same speaker. Yay market takeovers. 

 

I can't wind my 10" sony up much before the tools in the garage wall start vibrating. And partly masking some of the mid-high range. But that is in part the proximity and smaller room.

 

When I would test on the shop floor it was a case of winding down all the other speakers plugged in (or removing a few) setting the onboard responce dials fairly midpoint and playing the same sample on each to see how it handled it. If it was muffled noise, it wasn't as nice as crisp punch. If you can, find a store that still has an AV room setup for testing such things. Much more accurate than open sales floor.


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  Reply # 2065509 31-Jul-2018 10:37
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Many will recommend the SVS brand as giving excellent bang for the buck; I've got a PB-2000 (which is ported, RRP $1900), but they also make a SB-2000 (sealed) and smaller equivalents of both (the PB-1000 and SB-1000). The smaller ones retail for about $1200, but you'll often be able to get them cheaper on special (I bought mine here: https://www.rapalloav.co.nz/audio/speakers/subwoofer - they also sell a range of other brands), so probably closer to the $1k you mention.

 

Personally, I'd be wary of going second-hand: I did this initially, but it cr@pped out after a year or so and I was back to square one with nothing to show for it. While my SVS sub was a decent outlay, I don't regret spending it at all as I think a decent sub maketh the experience. So totally support your intent to get it right (as you can) first time, even if that means waiting a bit to save a bit more.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2065543 31-Jul-2018 10:55
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I've got a Sony powered sub I want to get rid of for very cheap. Still goes awesome, hardly had any use as it was part of a friend's home theater and only got turned on occasionally.

Could give you specs if you were interested. Shipping might be a killer though. 


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  Reply # 2065551 31-Jul-2018 11:05
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Totally recommend the SVS. Got the SB2000. Brother has the 1000.

 

second would probably be Velodyne but I reckon you have to look to around the $1000 mark to get satisfactory tone which I reckon is more important than just a thump.

 

Also the response and 'speed' is important. You wont regret SVS I don't think and it should last for ages. Got ours at a very good price through Sound Revolution, Auckland.




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  Reply # 2065568 31-Jul-2018 11:30
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Thanks for the replies, yes have heard of the SVS brand being good but price looks to be an issue for me. I am weary of used as well.

 

 

 

Edit - SVS PB1000 looks really tempting though... $1099


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  Reply # 2065866 31-Jul-2018 20:43
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The SVS SB1000 is a good starting point - and possible end point for you :-)

 

Velodyne is no longer imported into NZ due to the brand leaving the subwoofer market in favour of pursuing LIDAR technology!!

 

There will be a few Velodyne's kicking around Paul Money in Auckland as they bought up the last of the stock, so get in touch with them for a deal.

 

 


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  Reply # 2065916 31-Jul-2018 21:22
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I have a Paradigm PDR-10 Sub. Canadian made 10" front speaker / rear ported. 100W RMS output. It's in unmarked condition & currently redundant to my needs. Must be 10 years old now but had light use & no issues with it.  Check out the reviews & let me know if you are interested. 

 

https://www.paradigm.com/products-hidden/model=pdr10-leg/page=specs  

 


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  Reply # 2066001 1-Aug-2018 07:11
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Svs ported.

Sub is not about how much it costs buy how low it goes.




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  Reply # 2066088 1-Aug-2018 09:24
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Batman: Svs ported.

Sub is not about how much it costs buy how low it goes.

 

Yea I think I have pretty much decided on a svs pb1000 when my funds allow it


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  Reply # 2066177 1-Aug-2018 11:01
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How low does the 1000 go? Best to get one that goes to under 20Hz. And then the power is determined by how large or non resonant your room is




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  Reply # 2066210 1-Aug-2018 11:28
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At $1000 - $1500 you won't be getting a sub that goes under 20Hz brand new... not well and not reliably.

 

You need to pony up a lot more.

 

 

 

To be fair, for the majority of people, you don't need to be digging under 20Hz at all... most residential homes have issues that can't be tamed without major sound dampening / room modification. The PB or SB 1000 from SVS is a cool starting point.

 

The PB1000 performs like the SB2000, but it's physically larger.

 

Whereas the SB2000 is a more compact box that suits those who rate aesthetics over performance for the money.




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  Reply # 2066219 1-Aug-2018 11:37
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Dunnersfella:

 

At $1000 - $1500 you won't be getting a sub that goes under 20Hz brand new... not well and not reliably.

 

You need to pony up a lot more.

 

 

 

To be fair, for the majority of people, you don't need to be digging under 20Hz at all... most residential homes have issues that can't be tamed without major sound dampening / room modification. The PB or SB 1000 from SVS is a cool starting point.

 

The PB1000 performs like the SB2000, but it's physically larger.

 

Whereas the SB2000 is a more compact box that suits those who rate aesthetics over performance for the money.

 

 

Yea theres no chance of spending anymore - wife got a bit shocked when I said I had ordered one already (i havent but got a good bite from her).

 

From what I gather the ported PB may be slightly better than non ported so I can live with the extra size, I wouldnt be going any bigger in our lounge. The sub is basiccaly the first thing you come to through our front ranch slider.

 

Its just for our everyday lounge, not for a dedicated theatre room, and Im replacing a 13 year old 8 inch 75watt onkyo SL107 sub which served us well all those years, so the pb1000 will be a big improvement anyway considering I was just going to spend a couple hundred just to replace it with something similarly budget


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  Reply # 2066241 1-Aug-2018 12:18
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I had a 1000W HSU sealed sub, and it was not adequate to drive my room with high ceiling. What a bummer. Since then, ported all the way.





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  Reply # 2066413 1-Aug-2018 16:42
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Whereas the SB2000 is a more compact box that suits those who rate aesthetics over performance for the money.

 

 

 

 

if only it were that simple : https://www.svsound.com/blogs/svs/75367747-sealed-vs-ported

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2076692 21-Aug-2018 12:22
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Hi , i have a Mission M3as . It preforms well for a 10 inch sub.

 

 


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