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Lizard1977

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#243558 18-Dec-2018 11:53
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I have had a problem for a while now (and never had the time to deal with it) with overly loud action scenes and very quiet dialog.  I have a Pioneer VSX-922 receiver, connected to a 5.1 Jamo speaker set (S605 I think?), and it doesn't seem to matter what I'm watching (TV, movies) or the source (streaming from iPlayer or locally from my NAS), but the sound is very poorly balanced.  Last night, for instance, watching John Wick 2 (ripped from my Blu Ray copy), the action scenes were so loud we were in danger of waking the kids, but every time somebody spoke they sounded like they were whispering (even when they weren't).  My wife notices this as well, so I don't think it's just my ears getting old.  It's getting very annoying having the remote in hand to lower the volume every time there's an action scene, and raising it when people speak.

 

Can anyone suggest an effective way to configure the receiver and speakers so that there is less imbalance between the loud and quiet parts?  I've played around a couple of times in the past but nothing seems to make a difference.  


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  #2147051 18-Dec-2018 12:21
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I assume you used the Auto Calibration setup with the included mic? DVDs/Blu-rays etc have very dynamic soundtracks. An option could be to increase the centre channel level by a few Db....or you could place it into one of the night modes which compresses the dynamics so theres less of a difference between loud and quiet passages.





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  #2147075 18-Dec-2018 13:13
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i suspect its not your HT's problem its the content you are watching, and the fact you are trying to have it at a low level


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  #2147108 18-Dec-2018 14:00
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Some brands offer compression settings...

 

My Yamaha had the option to have everything set to 'maximum' so that you got the full dynamic range at all times - great for music, but if you had other people in the house things could get a little out of hand in the quiet / loud parts of movies.

 

'Standard' was fine most movie usage as it struck an acceptable balance for apartment living.

 

Anything else sounded a little poo though.

 

 

 

I'd look for the compression settings in your Pioneer, sorry, but I don't know what the setting would be called... or if Pioneer offer it at that level.

 

 




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  #2147119 18-Dec-2018 14:16
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Have done a little exploring and found something called ALC auto level control which does hush things a bit. But dialog is still too quiet. I played around with specific volume settings for different channels and in thr process discovered that nothing is coming out of the centre channel, and dialog and general sound is coming out of front left and right speakers. I'm sure the centre speaker works, so is there something else I need to look into? Something to do with the audio settings of my disc rips? Most are pure mkv rips using MakeMKV, with all English sound tracks included. I would assume that DTS or AC3 would take care of which channels to send where...

And yes, I did use the auto calibration mic when I set it up.

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  #2147141 18-Dec-2018 14:41
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Have a look at this site

 

https://www.svsound.com/blogs/svs/tips-for-setting-the-proper-crossover-frequency-for-a-subwoofer

 

I run a Onkyo TX-NR609 running 5.1 and driving Mission speakers (M35i fronts, M3C1 center & M31i Rears), and the Onkyo user manual said for Tower speakers, set them to full band. 

 

In doing so, watching a 5.1 DTS\Dolby sourced DVD\Bluray had the dialogue quite quiet.

 

I managed to get around to running the Audyseey setup, and it did it's thing, and has come out very close to what the above site says. If you can, maybe set your fronts low. 


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  #2147202 18-Dec-2018 15:43
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If you are getting nothing from the centre speaker, especially from known 5.1 sources. It's either kaput, cant' decode the multichannel (processing as PCM) or you have an odd soundmode processing on

 

The centre channel = vocal. The L/R= leftover vocal and when off screen effected.

 

If there is built in EQs, things such as 'Night mode' will balance this a bit and drop the bass levels etc to how you appear to want it - the dynamic changes mentioned.

 

But at the same time force setting things like 'ProLogic' or 'TV Movie' settings with a 5.1 source can override the multichannel decoding. By rights, with a multichannel source your audio type selection if it has it should be the 'Movie' range - be it DTS/DD/AFD(auto format decode) or similar. Putting it to much else can dent it. For instance music will usually expect 2 channel source and 'enhance' it to use 5.1 speaker layout similar to how prologic changes phasing for the surrounds to add effects.

 

Both TVNZ and Three broadcast 5.1 now on the primary channels. And most US sourced video (or shorty st) have independant effects that you should notice. 

 

I'd suggest sucking down some of these. They're good for individual channel testing and balancing.

 

https://thedigitaltheater.com/tools/ 

 

Section 6 outlines the audio modes and their suggested listening modes

 

Mix D Prologic IIx with 'drama' and it should dull the fx down.

 

It suggests pressing 'Standard' for auto decode. Which should light up and show you the format it is in, with luck Dolby/DTS. Else you have problems elsewhere.


 
 
 

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  #2147228 18-Dec-2018 16:55
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is the speaker actually connected?

 

can you play a test tone through it?


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  #2147545 19-Dec-2018 08:28
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Yes, it's definitely connected and when I tried adjusting the levels for the different channels there was definitely a test tone coming out of it.

 

I turned on one of the EQ presets - Dolby ProLogic and it started to pump sound through the centre channel.  There's still an issue with dialog being too quiet and action being too loud.  Putting my ear right up to the centre speaker I could hear both dialog and FX coming out of it, so possibly there are some other settings I need to find and adjust?  Or maybe that's just the way sound is mixed?


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  #2147637 19-Dec-2018 10:17
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instead of prologic put it on 5.1 or surround sound and see if that makes a difference


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  #2147643 19-Dec-2018 10:26
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Jase2985:

 

instead of prologic put it on 5.1 or surround sound and see if that makes a difference

 

 

I mentioned Prologic as it appears to auto decode based on the source but allows the then EQ effects over top for movie style etc. More so for only 5.1 speakers connected. Some of the others seem to make quazzy channel separation

 

http://docs.pioneer.eu/Manuals/VSX_922_K_ARB7475_manual/?page=44 

 

But, I read it as the 'standard' is the better one than overriding by the looks. And displays the source?

 

 


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