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#279585 24-Oct-2020 17:31
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I am trying to play some videotapes. The player is a Samsung DVD/VCR combo player from many years ago. It works fine, but I am having problems displaying some videotapes. Some work normally, but several Akai brand tapes seem to have some kind of copy protection or simple incompatibility issue that is preventing them from playing. If I start them playing, the TV says no signal and there is no sound. If I quickly press the select button on the player to change to DVD and then press again for VCR, I get audio and picture for about one second and then it cuts out. It acts like it is detecting some kind of signal, or not detecting it, that switches off the playback. If I play non-Akai tapes, it works like it should. 

 

The Akai tapes seem to be private recordings of assorted classical music performances. They are not commercial pre-recorded tapes. I also have some non-Akai tapes that are pre-recorded commercial ones, and they play fine. I have tried this on two TVs I have available with AV inputs and they both do the same. One TV is a Veon with normal AV input. The other is a Panasonic with shared composite/component in. In the past all tapes, including the Akai ones, played normally on an old analogue TV that no longer works. I am a bit puzzled by this and wonder if anyone knows what might be going on here.

 

 





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  #2591474 24-Oct-2020 17:49
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Could they be in a different system? I had a combo DVD/VHS and it strictly implimented what system it was set to in the menu, because when dubbing VHS to DVD, the idiots that made the standard made it so the whole disc had to be one standard. Bascially made putting my edited together VHS tapes of music videos onto dvd impossible since half were NTSC and half PAL mostly.





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  #2591481 24-Oct-2020 18:01
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I did try switching the TV to NTSC but it didn't make any difference.

 

Edit: Sorry, not clear. I also checked the player but couldn't find any way to change it. 

 

 

 

 





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  #2591485 24-Oct-2020 18:15
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On my panasonic it was deep in one of the setup menus, not a very international device compared to my old standalone VHS which would just play thru and whatever was on the tape went out, and whatever went in went on the tape.

 

If you have access to another VHS player then perhaps try them on that and see if the TV shows that theyre NTSC when playing them?





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  #2591487 24-Oct-2020 18:22
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Unfortunately only the one player still works. I will take another look at it tomorrow to see if there are any hidden settings. The remote isn't very good.

 

 





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  #2591491 24-Oct-2020 18:49
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It maybe is Macrovision protected , a Google search will give you some info.

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  #2591494 24-Oct-2020 19:00
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Rikkitic:

 

The player is a Samsung DVD/VCR combo player from many years ago.

 

 

That's likely the problem there. The fact you are seeing something when you switch suggests you're close to having something that works. A higher quality VCR may be able to play the video fine, or you could try an external time base corrector.


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  #2591506 24-Oct-2020 19:40
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I'm also thinking Macrovision as being the culprit.


 
 
 

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  #2591508 24-Oct-2020 19:46
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On all that I have used, it just blocks the record feature of the DVD side when using a marcovisioned tape. Annoying because the internal dub is the only way to get index marks moved to DVD chapters, and routing it out from the VHS output and into the line input thru my "video enhancer" meant that feature didnt work.

 

When you see the brief flash of picture, is it full screen or is the bottom 1/5th of the picture crap and the image from the tape is compressed into the top 4/5ths of it? Thats what my standalone DVD recorder does when I give it NTSC when set to PAL.





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  #2591564 25-Oct-2020 08:02
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It's definitely not Macrovision. Macrovision is encoded on the tape itself, so it wouldn't be present on personal recordings.

 

I couldn't recall the mechanism used (messing with the vertical blanking interval), but Technology Connections also did a video on Macrovision...

 


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  #2591573 25-Oct-2020 08:37
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The other thing is tape speed / long playing mode. Some VCRs could slow the tape speed to half to get twice as much duration on a tape. If you hit pause, you'll probably see a still frame, but you need a VCR that can switch speeds.


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  #2591613 25-Oct-2020 11:06
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Thanks everyone for all the responses. This thing is still a mystery. When I switch modes I get a very brief full-screen display and audio. Then both sound and picture disappear. The bloody Samsung remote is almost completely useless. I can get to the setup menu but practically no buttons work. I can't select anything or return. The only way to get out of the menu is to shut down and restart. 

 

In any case, I can't find anything directly relating to NTSC. The manual discusses it, but nothing in the manual relates to any actual available settings. It says to set the colour system to 'NTPB' if playing an NTSC tape, and to set to 'NTSC 4.43 compatible' if the TV is multi-system, but none of these things are anywhere in the menus. There is only an options menu under the main menu which lists Colour System, NICAM, IPC, and Auto power off. Under Colour system, the choices are Auto, PAL, MESECAM, and B/W. That is all.

 

 

 

 





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  #2591627 25-Oct-2020 12:01
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And you don't have SP, LP sand SLP settings to play with (in older models this was a physical switch).

 

 





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  #2591629 25-Oct-2020 12:08
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freitasm:

 

And you don't have SP, LP sand SLP settings to play with (in older models this was a physical switch).

 

 

 

 

Nothing I can find. But I had a bright idea and passed this through an old DVR to use it as a kind of filter. Success! Composite in, HDMI out, tape plays perfectly. 

 

 

 

 

 

 





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