Connecting Samsung TV to Marantz SR5012

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#289601 15-Sep-2021 23:19

We've got a 1yr old Samsung 42" TV and we have Sky TV / Blue ray player - all connected to a Marantz SR5012 and speakers for stereo sound - and it works great

Our TV has built in YouTube, but when we play a YouTube clip on the TV, the sound only comes out of the TV speaker.

We would like to get the sound to come through the Marantz SR5012 amp out of the speakers for stereo sound, but I assume I'd need another cable to connect the TV Audio direct to the Marantz?

if so - what sort of cable would I need? and where on the TV and the Marantz would I plug it in?

any advice would be helpful

thanks in advance

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#2779064 16-Sep-2021 00:17

I would look at running a TOSLINK optical cable from the TV to the Marantz - the SR5012 seems to have two optical inputs available. That is what I have with my ancient Sony to my DAC, and it works well. Not all TVs have optical out, but it is pretty common. Or if it only has SP/DIF out (copper cable digital signal), use that. Optical is better because it reduces the probability of getting a nasty ground loop.

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#2779079 16-Sep-2021 06:25

Your one year old TV and 5012 should be capable of hdmi ARC (audio return channel). It may a matter of ensuring that the hdmi cable is plugged into the hdmi port marked ‘ARC’ on the TV and enabling it in the settings menus of the TV and Receiver.

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#2779109 16-Sep-2021 08:07

There's even a guide on Marantz's website:

https://manuals.marantz.com/sr5012/EU/en/GFNFSYbtdxzhxd.php

BTW, do you get any form of audio on the amp from the TV, eg if you have the Samsung displaying live TV (using its own tuner) do you get sound on the Marantz? (Assuming you otherwise watch TV via the Sky box...)

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#2779124 16-Sep-2021 09:09

jonathan18:

There's even a guide on Marantz's website:

https://manuals.marantz.com/sr5012/EU/en/GFNFSYbtdxzhxd.php

BTW, do you get any form of audio on the amp from the TV, eg if you have the Samsung displaying live TV (using its own tuner) do you get sound on the Marantz? (Assuming you otherwise watch TV via the Sky box...)

thanks for that link

the TV has 2 HDMI slots HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 and I think HDMI2 has (ARC) written next to it (forgive me as I'm at work typing this and can't see the back of the TV at the moment)

I believe the Marantz is plugged into HDMI 2 and we've renamed that HDMI port Marantz Home Theatre in the Samsung menu

the Sky box and the Blu Ray player are connected direct to the Marantz via HDMI cables and there is an HDMI cable that goes from the Marantz (monitor out?) to the HDMI2 on the Samsung TV

the TV does have built in freeview, but we've never set it up because we have the sky box

this TV is almost identical to the one we have

https://www.smithscity.co.nz/samsung-43-t6500-full-hd-smart-tv-9063131?gclid=Cj0KCQjws4aKBhDPARIsAIWH0JVFB0xKLgI8mhl3oiJ5HwoY0kdoCErZo_OEYyxYK7K0OikDn7NDKJwaAvqBEALw_wcB

that link suggests using an HDMI cable to connect from the TV (HDMI2 ARC) to the Marantz - looking at that diagram that's how it's currently set up, so maybe I just need to choose a different channel / input on the Marantz to get the sound through the Marantz?

currently we use CBL/SAT for Sky TV and Blu-ray for the Blu Ray player..... I remember when I set it up all when we bought the TV last year I was trying to get stereo sound out of the speakers (it was only coming out of front 2 speakers from memory) and realized the Marantz was set on TV/Audio, and when I changed it to CBL/SAT it came out of all the speakers...so maybe I'll have a play around with the settings on Marantz to see if I can get stereo sound from the TV

thanks for your help

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#2779131 16-Sep-2021 09:21

Manually put the TV vol down to 0 for a start :) (mute will put a logo up)

There may be an audio redirect option under HDMI or audio to enable redirect from tv speakers to digitial out.

In the case of Samsung, that appears to be CEC controlled by detection - https://www.samsung.com/au/support/tv-audio-video/hdmi-arc-earc-port/

And on the amp, look for an option for 'tv audio - no' like option. It generally causes it to stop sending audio to the tv if the HDMI is a 'display all on this device' monitor-out type thing, and listen for audio back instead to redirect to amp speakers.

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#2779135 16-Sep-2021 09:24

Just to clarify some things so we're on the same page:

I remember when I set it up all when we bought the TV last year I was trying to get stereo sound out of the speakers (it was only coming out of front 2 speakers from memory) and realized the Marantz was set on TV/Audio, and when I changed it to CBL/SAT it came out of all the speakers...so maybe I'll have a play around with the settings on Marantz to see if I can get stereo sound from the TV

What do you mean by 'stereo' sound? Stereo does only come out of two speakers. If you're wanting it to come out of more (eg, 5.1 - which is front L and R; centre; and surround L and R) that's typically referred to as 'surround sound'.

And also when you say YT comes out of the 'TV speaker', just checking that's the speaker built into the TV, not a separate centre speaker?

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#2779149 16-Sep-2021 09:51

jonathan18:

Just to clarify some things so we're on the same page:

What do you mean by 'stereo' sound? Stereo does only come out of two speakers. If you're wanting it to come out of more (eg, 5.1 - which is front L and R; centre; and surround L and R) that's typically referred to as 'surround sound'.

And also when you say YT comes out of the 'TV speaker', just checking that's the speaker built into the TV, not a separate centre speaker?

ok sorry I meant full stereo (surround) sound - out of the 4 main speakers and Subwoofer... we have 2 front speakers, 2 surround speakers 1 center speaker and a subwoofer (all wharfdale)

from memory when I set the TV up last year I couldn't figure out why the audio from Sky TV was only coming through the 2 front speakers and not all speakers in full stereo (Multichannel stereo / surround?) then realized the Marantz was set to TV / Audio... when I changed it to CBL/SAT - Bingo.... all speakers were working

when I play a YouTube video direct on the TV it only comes out of the TV's own internal speaker - not through the external speakers at all

I'll try the TV/Audio option on the Marantz when playing a YouTube video and play around with that to see if the sound will come out of any of the speakers

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#2779258 16-Sep-2021 11:18

On your Samsung TV go to Settings->Sound Output and make sure HDMI is selected (it will probably be on “TV Speaker” on your TV)

On the Marantz receiver in Settings->HDMI->ARC set to “ON”.
If you set HDMI Control to on as well you will be able to use the TV remote to control the Receiver volume. It’s covered under”Connections”-> “Connecting a TV” in the Marantz Owners Manual. Also “Settings”->”HDMI” in the same manual.

Finally select “TV” as the source on the Marantz Remote (the line on your illustration is pointing straight at it).

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#2779268 16-Sep-2021 11:39

Dingbatt:

On your Samsung TV go to Settings->Sound Output and make sure HDMI is selected (it will probably be on “TV Speaker” on your TV)

On the Marantz receiver in Settings->HDMI->ARC set to “ON”.
If you set HDMI Control to on as well you will be able to use the TV remote to control the Receiver volume. It’s covered under”Connections”-> “Connecting a TV” in the Marantz Owners Manual. Also “Settings”->”HDMI” in the same manual.

Finally select “TV” as the source on the Marantz Remote (the line on your illustration is pointing straight at it).

thanks for that advice - I think it is already connected / set up because when we turn the TV on the picture comes on, sound comes out of the TV speaker then a few seconds later the Marantz automatically clicks on and the sound then comes out of the home theatre speakers instead of the TV Speaker

from there if we adjust the volume on the TV remote, it adjusts the volume on the Marantz

but I'll try those settings on the TV and the Marantz and make sure HDMI ARC is set to on and the TV Sound output is set to HDMI

many thanks for your help

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#2779313 16-Sep-2021 13:22

Sounds (no pun intended) like it is sorted then.

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#2780486 18-Sep-2021 23:14

Dingbatt:

Sounds (no pun intended) like it is sorted then.

thanks - I had a good play around and on the Marantz HDMI ARC was set to on and the TV Sound output was set to HDMI

when I played a YouTube clip on the TV it was coming out of the Marantz TV/AUDIO - but only the front 2 speakers (our sub is not going - that's another story). I don't know what I did on the Marantz, but managed to get it coming out of the front and surround speakers..... but then when I changed it back to CBL/SAT to watch TV the sound was weak and only coming through the front 2 speakers... so I had to go back into settings and change the volume settings, as somehow the dynamic EQ was off and I clicked the 'music' button on the bottom of the Marantz remote and changed it to 'multi channel stereo' and bingo - good volume from all speakers

I went back to YouTube and had the same issue with sound only coming from 2 speakers...so went through the settings? on Marantz to get good sound from all speakers, then went back to CBL/SAT to watch TV and the sound was weak and only coming through the front 2 speakers again.... so I had go to settings again to get the sound back to 'normal' - it's like the settings aren't 'saved' or something? weird

I'll have to have another read through the manual I think.... because the other thing that has happened it I have to turn the TV and Marantz on and off separately.... previously I just turned on the TV remote and the TV would come on and 3-4 seconds later the Marantz would automatically switch on - same when you turned the TV off with the TV remote - it would also turn the Marantz off

anyway I'll have a read of the 'connecting a TV' part of the Marantz manual and see if I can work out why the settings keep changing

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#2780487 18-Sep-2021 23:35

You need to understand sound modes more. Guessing you got the amp on someone's suggestion rather than realising their capabilities/operation?

The amp does not simply make 5 speakers work. The source audio can be unprocessed, or up mixed. The same way A 5.1 signal will be chopped up to someone with only 2 speakers. This is where an amp comes in

A stereo signal will always be L and R. But the sound modes (eq) can make it pro logic - centre audio, L/R sounds and psudo rears/surround. A 5.1+ signal will have independent channels. But you can still make that worse be selecting all channel stereo

The 'music' mode is for exactly that - music. Making a source with only L and R Channels use more speakers. It covers most music recording situations (other than say prologic encoded music vids)

Tv and YouTube signal is stereo, prologic or dolby digital 5.1 depending on the source encode

For that, forget the music Button. Push movie/tv. This will go through the prologic sound modes. And when it comes to digital audio, use the speakers for all independent channels, but with enhancements for effect.

There is usually Dolby D, prologic (tv surround) theater dimension, all ch stereo, night movie, mono

They are better for non music signal

You will have about 5 option per input source, and it may remember last selection as you change input, or fallback to different decode (sound select) if it detects the source type changes from say multichannel to something not

You can also use a different sound input for each source option too. Use video from hdmi1 (cab/sat say) and audio from totally different hdmi input (dvd) for instance.

The power changes will be the one i pointed out earlier. CEC or hdmi control

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#2781356 20-Sep-2021 22:56

Oblivian: You need to understand sound modes more. Guessing you got the amp on someone's suggestion rather than realising their capabilities/operation?

The amp does not simply make 5 speakers work. The source audio can be unprocessed, or up mixed. The same way A 5.1 signal will be chopped up to someone with only 2 speakers. This is where an amp comes in

A stereo signal will always be L and R. But the sound modes (eq) can make it pro logic - centre audio, L/R sounds and psudo rears/surround. A 5.1+ signal will have independent channels. But you can still make that worse be selecting all channel stereo

The 'music' mode is for exactly that - music. Making a source with only L and R Channels use more speakers. It covers most music recording situations (other than say prologic encoded music vids)

Tv and YouTube signal is stereo, prologic or dolby digital 5.1 depending on the source encode

For that, forget the music Button. Push movie/tv. This will go through the prologic sound modes. And when it comes to digital audio, use the speakers for all independent channels, but with enhancements for effect.

There is usually Dolby D, prologic (tv surround) theater dimension, all ch stereo, night movie, mono

They are better for non music signal

You will have about 5 option per input source, and it may remember last selection as you change input, or fallback to different decode (sound select) if it detects the source type changes from say multichannel to something not

You can also use a different sound input for each source option too. Use video from hdmi1 (cab/sat say) and audio from totally different hdmi input (dvd) for instance.

The power changes will be the one i pointed out earlier. CEC or hdmi control

thanks for the reply - we bought the Marantz 2-3 years ago when our old Marantz shopped working.... we did some research when looking for a new one and liked the Marantz the best - we thought it was better than the likes of Denon / Onkyo and was a similar price.

Yes - it has far more features than we'll probably ever need or use - and I've only just scratched the surface of what it can do

Basically my main aim is to get the best sound quality I can and I find the 'music' button provides that - the sound (music and TV) is more clearer that on 'movie / TV'

Reading the manual I did come across something called Auto Surround Playback

This mode detects the type of input digital signal, and automatically selects the corresponding mode for playback.
Perform stereo playback when the input signal is PCM. When the input signal is Dolby Digital or DTS, the music is played back according to the respective channel number.

I don't know if this would help?

I really need to spend a good hour sitting down with the remotes / manual and having a good play around with the whole system - and I've not really done that since it was set up 2-3 years ago

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#2781540 21-Sep-2021 10:20

Auto Surround will likely be the similar as AFD. Or auto format decode

Give it a stereo source, it will likely come out 2 speakers. Give it Dolby Source, it will use Dolby 5.1, Give it DTS, it will decode DTS5.1 Likely it will use them all (speakers).

It all comes down to the source, and what audio mode you apply. If it 'doesn't sound the best' and you are forcing it into 'all channel stereo' for the likes of a TV broadcast or youtube using the Music option (of which ch1/2/3 are all Dolby Digital and actually have 5.1 channels on a lot of programs other than most adverts, and professional youtube clips may have surround)

Then you may be taking away the intended effect and or require a speaker normalization or reposition setup all over again. Or check your tv is actually setup to pass through digital audio and not limiting the amp input to stereo only.

Did you use the configure microphone in the listening position and let it do it's thing? there is often tweaking beyond that to personalise.

Only special EQ modes like night movie (again, a subset of tv/movie on my onkyo) should drop all the sounds to a lower level to not disturb. Kills the bass, levels the SFX to same as dialogue and so on

A normal preset Pro-Logic or Theatre-dimension like EQ should sound fine. If not better than anyone elses TV you come across. All the dialogue nice and clear through the centre speakers. Off camera dialogue and sounds through the L/R accordingly. And surrounds or rear sound from the back to immerse you.

If it's not loud enough through the centre for dialogue. Change the surround mode. Or increase the amplification output levels of the speaker.

Looking at the manual, there is at least Stereo, DD Surround, DTS. Multichannel Stereo for the movie modes.
(Of which appears each one the effect on those can be adjusted.)

And the reason it may not remember -

The MOVIE, MUSIC, or GAME button memorizes the last sound mode selected for
its button. Pressing MOVIE, MUSIC, or GAME recalls the same sound mode as
the one selected at the previous playback.
0 If the content played back does not support the previously selected sound mode,
the most appropriate sound mode for the content is automatically selected.
0 You can also press SOUND MODE on the main unit to switch the sound mode.

Basically, from page 112

The following sound modes can be selected using the MOVIE, MUSIC and GAME buttons.
0 Adjust the sound field effect with the menu “Surround Parameter” to enjoy surround sound the way you like it

Which links you to 148. Where certain aspects of the applied sound can be tweaked.

Just be wary, that manually selecting one of the music -> surround modes, may be overriding the source (downmix 5.1 to stereo etc) See the sound mode matrix for each input mode/type.