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Topic # 4295 28-Jun-2005 17:34

something that came up in a 6255 thread here - watching TV on your pda/cellphone
i'm trying to catch up on startrek, invader zim, farscape and bab5 - all on my PDA while riding the trolley bus.
Anyone else doing this? What are you using?

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Reply # 16102 28-Jun-2005 19:00

i would like to do this. i suppose i really need a tv tuner card to record the programs to hard disk first??

What format are they in, and what software do you use to get it there... ?

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Reply # 16104 28-Jun-2005 19:24

r2.co.nz stream TV1, TV2 and Maori TV. The streams are all free if you're on cafenet.

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Reply # 16106 28-Jun-2005 20:17

disenchanted: you just need to rip from a DVD.

i get my dvds from http://dvdunlimited.co.nz, rip them to the best fit for my pda screen, and copy to SD card.
I have quite a few queued up for watching.

sbiddle: no cafenet on my bus, but next time in a cafe and lonely i'll check out r2.co.nz
that's why i started this thread - to pry out gems like that. thanks :)

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Reply # 16115 29-Jun-2005 10:00

Yeah - we are dvdunlimited members. Great service if you have the right software/hardware.

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Reply # 16116 29-Jun-2005 10:31

Disenchanted: Yeah - we are dvdunlimited members. Great service if you have the right software/hardware.

You guys realise these kind of software is meant for backup purposes only? Also, NZ law still limits the rights of consumers of even making backup copies of media. In theory everyone walking down the street with an iPod in New Zealand is commiting piracy - until the law is changed...

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Reply # 16119 29-Jun-2005 10:47

not backing up.. i'm converting it so that it will play in my player (a tungsten T3)
much like copying a CD to tape so it will play in the car :-)

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Reply # 16120 29-Jun-2005 10:51

Ok, so I will probably have to delete this thread since you have just admitted it... Media shifting is not allowed in New Zealand under current law, not even under the excuse of "I am just doing a backup"...

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Reply # 16121 29-Jun-2005 10:55

The word of the MED on Copyright Protection in New Zealand:

"Permitted acts include:

"fair dealing" - for the purposes of criticism, review, news reporting, research or private study;

limited copying or dealing in the work for particular educational purposes;

limited copying or dealing in the work by librarians or archivists in specific circumstances;

exceptions in respect of certain activities by the Crown;

copying for the purposes of making copies that are in Braille;

subject to certain conditions, the making of a back-up copy of a computer program; and
recording a television programme for the purpose of making a complaint or for "time shifting" purposes so that a programme can be watched at a more convenient time.

There is no general exception to copyright infringement for private of domestic copying, including "format shifting", of legitimately purchased recordings from one medium to another to allow playing or viewing via other devices."

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Reply # 16122 29-Jun-2005 10:58

it's your site - do as you wish...
but i'm fairly comfortable admitting i personally needed to format shift to get a dvd to play. - afterall, the intent of the copyright law is not to stop legitimate use.

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Reply # 16123 29-Jun-2005 11:00

Oh, don't worry I am not going to delete - just kidding. Should have [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] around it...

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Reply # 16124 29-Jun-2005 11:01

Exception to copyright: recording a television programme for the purpose of making a complaint or for "time shifting" purposes so that a programme can be watched at a more convenient time.

There is no general exception to copyright infringement for private of domestic copying, including "format shifting", of legitimately purchased recordings from one medium to another to allow playing or viewing via other devices.

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So - I can record a television program for viewing at a later time.

Can I record a DVD of a Television program for viewing at a later time?

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Reply # 16125 29-Jun-2005 11:03

Let me clarify that to a "rented DVD containing material previously braodcast on television"

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Reply # 16126 29-Jun-2005 11:06

my dvds are all television programs - they've just been timeshifted already. I'm time shifting them a 2nd time so they fit in my pocket.

but, to be serious, i'd love to see this sort of stuff challenged - but not by myself.
if you ask a lawyer for advice, they'll always say No, you can't do that.
that's their job to find the path of caution.

until someone makes the challenge, you ipods owners might to be commiting more than just fashion crimes.

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Reply # 16127 29-Jun-2005 11:09

Good question Disenchanted... IANAL, but if the program is on TV and you get the DVD in theory it's the same source material - but it's not the same content. The DVD may contain additional features like a Dolby Digital or DTS soundtrack that is not on TV.

And if you just copy the movie, isn't it different of creating an ISO image of the whole DVD, which contains additional footage and other materials?

The New Zealand law should be changed to allow fair use - for example not copying for profit.

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Reply # 16128 29-Jun-2005 11:12

freitasm: The DVD may contain additional features like a Dolby Digital or DTS soundtrack that is not on TV.

It's all on TV, it's just not been Broadcasted.

did they define what they meant by "television programme" ?

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