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#91919 23-Oct-2011 10:29
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Hi all,

I have recorded some documentary programs from Sky onto the HDD of my DMR-EH59 recorder and now want to copy them from the HDD onto DVD for backup purposes.

Each time i select the HDD video to put into the Copy list to copy to DVD it comes up with

"Cannot Copy Copy-Restricted Titles".

How can I change this so I can Backup my HDD Video's.

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  #536653 23-Oct-2011 10:33
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You can't. Many shows that are broadcast use copy protection to stop you doing this. The only way to get around it would be to play the content, strip the copy protection with appropiate hardware, and record this back to an external DVD recorder.

Format shiftng of content (ie transferring from a HDD to DVD) is not actual legal in NZ so me telling you how to circumvent copy protection measures, and you actually doing this are both breaking the law!

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  #536694 23-Oct-2011 13:56
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That's odd - I record off sky (silver Pace box) onto my Panny DVD recorder (model eh68) and it has never once objected to me copying from the HDD to a DVD.

@sbiddle - while technically illegal, so was transferring CDs onto an iPod until recently, and transferring a CD/LP to cassette for the walkman/car years ago, but no one really cared. Furthermore, I don't think it has ever been illegal to discuss how to do it. I think you are thinking of the provisions of the DMCA, which doesn't apply here.

For the record, it sounds like CGMS/A copy protection to me, which you can buy strippers to remove (connect between the Sky box and the DVR). Search for "video stabiliser", "CGMS/A removal" and similar using Google. I got one from Jaycar to defeat macrovision when transferring my (legally purchased) VHS library to DVD about 5-6 years ago and, if they still sell them, it might also cope with CGMS/A.


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  #536703 23-Oct-2011 14:26
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Section 226 of the Copyright Act covers the use of TPM's. It's nowhere near as strict as the DCMA.

Prohibited conduct in relation to technological protection measure

(1) A person (A) must not make, import, sell, distribute, let for hire, offer or expose for sale or hire, or advertise for sale or hire, a TPM circumvention device that applies to a technological protection measure if A knows or has reason to believe that it will, or is likely to, be used to infringe copyright in a TPM work.

(2) A person (A) must not provide a service to another person (B) if?

(a) A intends the service to enable or assist B to circumvent a technological protection measure; and

(b) A knows or has reason to believe that the service will, or is likely to, be used to infringe copyright in a TPM work.

(3) A person (A) must not publish information enabling or assisting another person to circumvent a technological protection measure if A intends that the information will be used to infringe copyright in a TPM work.

Using a device such as a HD Fury to strip DHCP from a HDMI source is not illegal providing you're only circumventing the TPM to watch content (such as a Blu Ray) on a device such as a TV that does't support HDCP.

Using a device to strip TPM for the purpose of format shifting is technically illegal as format shifting of video content is not permitted under our copyright laws.

I know it's merely nit picking, and the fact format shifting of video is something that's done every day and isn't going to result in the Police knocking on your door, but it is still breaking the law.

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  #537486 25-Oct-2011 22:46
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Copying to DVD is a poor way of archiving material. Most writable DVDs are more failure-prone than HDDs and the quality of MPEG-2 DVD video is weak when writing to DVD involves re-encoding.

The video would be sitting as a file on the PVR for any to access. Which is why the industry would like all PVRs to encrypt recordings.

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