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#416775 13-Dec-2010 21:55

DonGould: Steve this is the company that can't set up a mail server in their L1HD correctly to just send out manuals without it getting lost in peoples filters....

I don't hate Telecom... but trust them to deliver great outcomes to consumers? Come on man, they can't do the basics.

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Nobody's asking Telecom to configure a mailserver. They're asking Chorus to lay fibre in the ground.

What Chorus have done with their FTTN network is fantastic from an engineering perspective. It does rank as an amazingly well engineered FTTN network that is delivering fantastic results.

Remember decisions such as 48kbps handovers that cripple the finished product are nothing to do with the engineering of the product - they are business decisions made by Telecom Wholesale who build products on top of the infrastructure in conjunction with the Commerce Commission. With UFB Chorus would only deploy the infrastructure, they won't set wholesale prices or provide retail products.

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#416776 13-Dec-2010 21:57

If they have to seperate fully, then I expect that the crap provisioning systems would have to be totally redone so most of the problems people have with telecom screwing up the orders of other ISPs would go away.

The majority of the problems with their wholesale service is with the price and dimensioning of it, which were the fault of the commerce commission not telecom.

Any company could overpromise and fail to deliver for the tenders. Imagine how screwed we would be if woosh had got it. I dont doubt that telecom - err chorus will be able to deliver whats wanted. I do wonder if there will be anyone left in the country to use it by the time its finished however.

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#416777 13-Dec-2010 21:59

It's not a matter of success or lack thereof.
If the Mafia model is a successful one,
should it be copied, for no other reason?
I don't hate Telecom. I despise their lack of
ethics and unprincipled stance.

That's quite distinct from staff I've inter-
acted with, BTW.

McMalnutrition, well! Remember the rain-
forest-destruction beef denials? It was
exposed, as was corporate McMalnutrition,
for just what they truly were.

You want lies with that?

We'll just have to hope that the gov't
functionaries dealing with this have the
balls to keep Telecom singing in the
Chorus as true-to-tune as possible.

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#416807 13-Dec-2010 22:34

Why
Do
You type short
Sentences? It makes
For very hard
Reading.

Edit: An overview of your posts suggests that you're quite a dissenting person. In addition, you seem to be unaware of the FUG's requiring the use of a company's proper name:

When talking about a company use their real name. We follow the principle that respect must go both ways.

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#416819 13-Dec-2010 22:54

Is Telecom in priority discusions? Yes

Once it is all said and done will it be Telecom NZ LTD that is building the network? almost certainly not.

The Telecom Wholesale AND Retails arms will be totally separate from the company building the network ... so at the end of the day Telecom as we know it will not be building the network ... things will be run very differently in terms of asset build and ownership.

The most worrying thing about it IMO is the extremely complex task of structural separation ... the huge amount of applications that Telecom Group has to run its business day to day is just one of many seemingly impossible tasks that must be overcome.

Also something which i wounder about ... IF the govt were to deny any contracts to "telecom" what could the possible retaliation be to that .... considering the large asset footprint already in place (far bigger than any other company) if Telecom were Bank rolled by "Investor X" they could make a damn good go at making the govt's UFB scheme pointless and unattractive to many L3 Providers.

my 2c

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#416824 13-Dec-2010 22:57

matt45: Is Telecom in priority discusions? Yes

Once it is all said and done will it be Telecom NZ LTD that is building the network? almost certainly not.

The Telecom Wholesale AND Retails arms will be totally separate from the company building the network ... so at the end of the day Telecom as we know it will not be building the network ... things will be run very differently in terms of asset build and ownership.

This is (I think) what most people don't realise - Chorus as an infrastructure provider is a fantastic company with a great track record.

matt45:
The most worrying thing about it IMO is the extremely complex task of structural separation ... the huge amount of applications that Telecom Group has to run its business day to day is just one of many seemingly impossible tasks that must be overcome.

This...will be interesting.

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#416828 13-Dec-2010 23:04

munchkin: Why
Do
You type short
Sentences? It makes
For very hard
Reading.

An inaccurate rendition of my chosen line length
and capitalisation.

munchkin:
Edit: An overview of your posts suggests that you're quite a dissenting person.

Please spare the forums/me your pseudo-psychology.

munchkin: In addition, you seem to be unaware of the FUG's . . .

Of course, you mean this one:

FUG:
Posts shall remain on topic.

No? This one, then?

FUG:
Ad Hominem premises are not acceptable.

Perhaps try following the FUG better, before you presume
to lecture someone else on the matter.

When I get respected by Telecom NZ, I'll reciprocate.

FUG: We follow the principle that respect must go both ways.

Who starts it?

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#416834 13-Dec-2010 23:14

*Waits with great antisipation of freitasm's large foot*

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#416835 13-Dec-2010 23:14

I was referring to McDonald's, actually.

Irrespective of my inaccurate rendition of your chosen line length, what you're doing does tend to make what you write hard to read.

As stated, Chorus will be the company to build the UFB network, not Telecom. This is what people do not realise.

Edit: highlighted the text that is relevant.

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#416836 13-Dec-2010 23:15

matt45: *Waits with great antisipation of freitasm's large foot*

My feet are larger

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#416841 13-Dec-2010 23:25

Really this separation is what should have happened back when the govt started meddling with telecom.

There is nothing wrong with the chorus guys ability to install and run a wired network. All the problems with it have been provisioning or dimensioning related. When faulty cabling has been bought to the chorus techs attention, they fix it quickly and efficiently IME.

Without stupidly low backhaul and other restrictions put on it by the idiot govt who dont know what they are regulating it should be a great success.

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#416844 13-Dec-2010 23:39

munchkin: As stated, Chorus will be the company to build the UFB network, not Telecom. This is what people do not realise.

And, of course, Telecom doesn't own any shares in Chorus?
Operational separation is double talk, if they do. As I said
earlier, I hope that the government functionaries spending
other people's money, manage to get it right.

PS
Don't buy any newspapers: they print in short line-
length columns. Oh, and so do magazines. That
must make for very hard reading, too, right? There
is a ratio between line length and point size that
affords more ready readability and comprehension.
I can't recall it any more and it's a bit OT, anyway.
And may further inflame distracting debate.

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#416851 13-Dec-2010 23:55

They are not talking about the current operational separation, they are talking about total separation, that is when there will be separate ownership of the 2 resulting companies.

Once there are 2 companies with separate boards etc, then shareholding of them is largely immaterial. It would be smart of telecom to keep a lot of shares in chorus, as that will give them a revenue even when people are not using telecom retail products. Of course the commerce commission will probably stuff that up for telecom too.

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#416852 13-Dec-2010 23:56

PerryNZ:
And, of course, Telecom doesn't own any shares in Chorus?
Operational separation is double talk, if they do.

Operational Seperation is what Telecom Group is now Chorus, Tcom Wholesale, Tcom Retail, TT&SS and i think Gen-i? are all publicly traded as ONE company.

Structural Separation (what is being proposed) is totally different. The Network will be done by a Company Who's name may or may not end up being "Chorus" which will be interdependently traded and i would expect the govt so severely limit ownership by Service providers.

Also its probably worth pointing out that the Telecom share holders will have to vote on this and if they don't like what they hear it simply will not go ahead.

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#416877 14-Dec-2010 07:12

So when is CHCH likely to start getting fibre installed? (regardless of who is doing it)

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