Telecom Takes UFB Priority

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#73397 13-Dec-2010 17:49

Stuff Article

Telecom is in line to build between about 70 per cent and 84 per cent of the Government's ultrafast broadband network, including in Auckland and Wellington.

Groan!

Can a leopard change its spots? I doubt it. Telecom must have the
current crop of W'gton woodenheads on a very short lead. Let's
await (with dread) the devilish details in this diabolical contract.

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#416656 13-Dec-2010 18:12

Doesn't Citylink still have a good chance to get Wellington?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1012/S00413/more-prioritised-bidders-announced-for-ufb-initiative.htm

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#416657 13-Dec-2010 18:14

Sure we can, actually we lost those spots years ago with our new CEO!

Personally I am glad common sense has prevailed and a company has been chosen with the resources, tools and expertise to build fibre across the whole country.

Like you say devil in the detail, look for forward to reading more details around pricing and timelines similar to those agree already.

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#416662 13-Dec-2010 18:19

What I don't understand about the Telecom bashers attacking this decision is that it's a open, wholesale network that they are building. Wholesale rates are regulated and Chorus will be building the network (if it goes ahead) as a structuallly separate company.

What does any of Telecom's history have to do with this? Absolutely nothing.

Replicating the FTTN rollout that Telecom have already been forced to deply by the Government makes absolutely no sence, using this as part of a core of a nationwide FTTH network makes plenty of sence.

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#416663 13-Dec-2010 18:19

Better telecom than the power company if you want a reliable network IMO.

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#416698 13-Dec-2010 19:25

I should really do my homework but..

"Telecom Corp. has met the government’s demands for $40 per month “naked” ultra-fast broadband to win status as a preferred bidder for the $1.35 billion UFB revolving fund."

What is that naked ufb, dark fiber? A wavelength? GE?

Just wondering how much better the future is compared to today, can an ISP get GE from the customer to their own premises without being squeezed into kbit/s's on the way.

Now that Telecom is winning and they've got fiber installed, how soon will the ISP's (including Telecom) start offering FE access to the consumers? 6 months? 12 months? A decade?

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#416712 13-Dec-2010 20:08

richms: Better telecom than the power company if you want a reliable network IMO.

Well, actually I wish my telco was as reliable as my power supply.

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#416718 13-Dec-2010 20:16

exportgoldman:
richms: Better telecom than the power company if you want a reliable network IMO.

Well, actually I wish my telco was as reliable as my power supply.

Unless you live in Auckland, I guess?

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#416719 13-Dec-2010 20:17

I just wish they'd hurry up and make up their minds then we can start to move forward again. All this sitting on our hands wondering who's doing what is just holding back the whole industry.

In chch I hope the Enabled guys get it because they seem a truck load easier to deal with than t.nz, which would be good for me, but do we really care?

I'd like to know how the guys are getting on with that other .us/.au cable so we can get some more realistic data caps and start doing something with real applications.

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#416730 13-Dec-2010 20:35

exportgoldman:
richms: Better telecom than the power company if you want a reliable network IMO.

Well, actually I wish my telco was as reliable as my power supply.

If data was like power, then the retailers would have no monitoring for when entire suburbs are out, have never invested in anything since privitization, have zero redundant circuits to most suburbs, expect you to pay to upgrade their gear if you want a greater capacity supply despite then charging you a higher line charge and getting to sell you more product, and all that while putting prices up year on year while making massive profits.

Actually that sounds just like telecom really...

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#416732 13-Dec-2010 20:37

freitasm:
exportgoldman:
richms: Better telecom than the power company if you want a reliable network IMO.

Well, actually I wish my telco was as reliable as my power supply.

Unless you live in Auckland, I guess?

i would think that the wellington CBD has had more power outages than any other part of NZ in the last couple of years...

and citylink has had their fair share of problems too.

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#416747 13-Dec-2010 21:04

sbiddle:What I don't understand about the Telecom bashers attacking this decision is that it's a open, wholesale network that they are building. Wholesale rates are regulated and Chorus will be building the network (if it goes ahead) as a structurally separate company.

If it looks, walks and quacks like a duck . . . . However . . .

Good that Telecom has a cheerleader and defender, despite their
proven track record, complete with admissions of price gouging,
by Gattung. The broken promise to compete on products and
service, instead of with lawyers in the court room; the attempt
to marginalise Chorus staff by bullying them into self-employed
status, so degrading their employment benefits; the out-sourcing
of Telecom NZ staff jobs to sweatshop labour in the Pacific basin.

Need I go on?

Come to think of it, given the ill-timed, ill-prepared, under-
resourced and under-supported XT Notwork debacle, maybe
the CEO's job could be out-sourced to the Philippines? That
would save lots of dollars! Probably doesn't take much skill
to create and mis-manage those sorts of muck-ups.

The history and nature of the beast tells me that prudent distrust
is more apposite than any other view. Telecom NZ stands justly
tall and proud among the NZ's most avaricious, perfidious and
unethical corporates.

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#416754 13-Dec-2010 21:22

Telecom will have to structurally separate, with Chorus becoming a truely standalone telecommunications infrastructure company.

Given they already have fibre to every suburb in the country it's a no brainier in terms of getting things done quickly and professionally and the lowest cost.

With the UFB requirements of an open access network and the with wholesale prices and base plans that have already been announced it seems WIN WIN to me.

Haters will always be hating though.

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#416762 13-Dec-2010 21:36

PerryNZ:
Good that Telecom has a cheerleader and defender,

I'm not a Telecom fanboi if that's what you're suggesting.

I've never used Telecom broadband, haven't had a Telecom landline for 12 years and haven't used their mobile network for 15 years. The only Telecom product I have is a t stick because their 500MB data pricing plan makes the most sense for casual data. I deal with the frustrations of their wholesale systems at work and build solutions to get around the inadequacies that exist.

Most people trashing Telecom seem to have a total lack of understanding of what UFB is and should probably start with some reading to understand how the model actually works. It's open access infrastructure network. Is it not Telecom being given a ticket to rip of NZers for the rest of their lives.

Ignoring Telecom is a bit like ignoring the McDonalds when you're talking about succesful business models because their burgers taste horrible. I'd like a somebody who's anti Telecom to explain to me why $1 billion should be spent replicating the existing FTTN setup when that could be (and has been designed to be) the core of a FTTH network. Replicating it is a braindead

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#416766 13-Dec-2010 21:42

freitasm:
exportgoldman:
richms: Better telecom than the power company if you want a reliable network IMO.

Well, actually I wish my telco was as reliable as my power supply.

Unless you live in Auckland, I guess?

Live in the heart of Auckland city. End of the cable run, we get 2.5 Megabits and will until September 2011. Our internet drops out quite a lot.

People will be getting fibre before we get ADSL2+

But yes I take your point, our power's not that good either.

There are so so many more questions than answers with this fibre rollout. I'm excited though.

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#416769 13-Dec-2010 21:47

Steve this is the company that can't set up a mail server in their L1HD correctly to just send out manuals without it getting lost in peoples filters....

I don't hate Telecom... but trust them to deliver great outcomes to consumers? Come on man, they can't do the basics.

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Edit: As for the comment someone made about fttn fibre already being in the suburb... pffft, give the deal to someone else then let Telecom just go neg with that provider to use the t.nz fibre. Don't see why it has to be wasted effort at all no mater who gets the gig.

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