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  #2605949 18-Nov-2020 12:48
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nickb800:

 

Out of curiosity, at what point does in Chorus's network does redundancy come into play? Appreciate it's hard to generalise, as you say, physical limitations come into play in each specific area. For GPON, there would be no redundancy between ONT on premises and OLT in an exchange, but does the typical exchange have redundant routes through to regional hubs/handovers?

 

For this specific outage, does anyone know if it was backhaul from the exchange that was hit (implying there was no redundancy in trunk routes from that exchange), or a duct with a bunch of GPON fibres?

 

I'm personally going to be light on information as I don't want to share anything potentially sensitive to Chorus about network design (also because now I know at-least the NZ Herald has scraped this thread for information) but in this case what I've heard was this was rather close to the exchange which is why much more was knocked out by this incident. There are likely redundant links here but the redundant links will be running to the same exchange but may take different paths further down the road.

 

 





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  #2605979 18-Nov-2020 13:40
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Reminds me a bit of the fibre cables washed out by the Rangitata river last december, albeit only Chorus and Spark were effected. No redundancy there. Lucky it was only around 18 hours not the 60 hours currently...


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  #2606165 18-Nov-2020 14:56
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Reminds me a bit of the fibre cables washed out by the Rangitata river last december, albeit only Chorus and Spark were effected. No redundancy there. Lucky it was only around 18 hours not the 60 hours currently...

 

 

 

 

I am not at liberty to get into details here etc, but for the record if my memory serves me correctly I do not believe that this is an entirely accurate description of the network topology here.  No I'm not going to go into any further details.





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  #2606214 18-Nov-2020 15:21
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michaelmurfy:

 

nickb800:

 

Out of curiosity, at what point does in Chorus's network does redundancy come into play? Appreciate it's hard to generalise, as you say, physical limitations come into play in each specific area. For GPON, there would be no redundancy between ONT on premises and OLT in an exchange, but does the typical exchange have redundant routes through to regional hubs/handovers?

 

For this specific outage, does anyone know if it was backhaul from the exchange that was hit (implying there was no redundancy in trunk routes from that exchange), or a duct with a bunch of GPON fibres?

 

I'm personally going to be light on information as I don't want to share anything potentially sensitive to Chorus about network design (also because now I know at-least the NZ Herald has scraped this thread for information) but in this case what I've heard was this was rather close to the exchange which is why much more was knocked out by this incident. There are likely redundant links here but the redundant links will be running to the same exchange but may take different paths further down the road.

 

 

Seeing as we're being vague, I would just add that the thing to remember about these "exchanges" (if you could even call them that these days) is that most of them pre-date UFB by decades and cable entry in to the buildings hasn't really changed since it was just copper cables coming in because it's kind of a hard thing to change when you're talking about serious underground ducting. And that they are all very different throughout the country mainly due to the local city layout.


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  #2606579 19-Nov-2020 07:08
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Still out in Māngere and the Chorus map shows big areas with no service despite the hope last night that it’d be largely fixed overnight. Any clues from people in the know about an ETA for resolution?

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  #2606580 19-Nov-2020 07:15
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michaelmurfy:

 

From a Facebook group I follow:

 

 


"Only about 1700 fibres to rejoin, 10m of ducting to replace which they need to excavate first. Haul multiple new fibres and start joining them all. And it is the main West Coast route for Chorus and Spark between Auckland and Hamilton."

 

 

wow how did this happen!


 
 
 

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  #2606717 19-Nov-2020 10:05
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lyndondrake: Still out in Māngere and the Chorus map shows big areas with no service despite the hope last night that it’d be largely fixed overnight. Any clues from people in the know about an ETA for resolution?

 

I am sure Chorus have rallied all the resources they have around the country to get this re-spiced as quickly as possible

 

Obviously Back haul, followed by DFAS and BS3/3a/4 will be given a higher priority first followed by BS2





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  #2606740 19-Nov-2020 10:20
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chevrolux:

 

Seeing as we're being vague, I would just add that the thing to remember about these "exchanges" (if you could even call them that these days) is that most of them pre-date UFB by decades and cable entry in to the buildings hasn't really changed since it was just copper cables coming in because it's kind of a hard thing to change when you're talking about serious underground ducting. And that they are all very different throughout the country mainly due to the local city layout.

 

 

Thanks! I guess the threat has changed too - from spades and diggers to directional dills. Being 2.4m deep, this duct would have had a degree of protection from the typical threats back when it was laid


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  #2606855 19-Nov-2020 12:01
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Our office is back online now, FYI (Māngere town centre)


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  #2606914 19-Nov-2020 13:35
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For those following along at home, Chorus reckoned clearance as of 12:18, and I believe the Spark clearance was sent out not long afterwards.





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