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Topic # 11090 1-Jan-2007 14:15
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remember there used to be a limit of 700mb on the go large plan between 4pm-12am daily? well now it seems to be gone. xtra has removed this. look at this page:

http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/xtratools/1,8752,205450-204362,00.html

is this a good thing or a bad thing? i think it could be a bad thing,because no matter how much data go large users use between 4pm-12am now, xtra will traffic manage everyone anyway regardless of how much data you use.


now it is my understanding that all go large problems could be fixed if telecom xtra purchased more international broadband capacity for it's go large users. why doesn't telecom do this? orcon just purchased more international capacity for it's users.

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Reply # 56694 1-Jan-2007 14:22
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They still apply the network management though:

Traffic management may apply to the Go Large plan during times of network congestion or peak times. Generally, peak times are likely to occur between 4pm and midnight each day.

Traffic management is an effective way of reducing congestion but it won't remove congestion from our network entirely. During busy periods, there are still heaps of people surfing the web and emailing, so you are still likely to see some reduced speeds.



And in an idiotic move they "manage" NNTP and Jabber. Stupid... If Xtra had not removed their own NNTP (usenet) servers, perhaps the international traffic would be less and no need to manage that? Their own decisions affect everyone.

And Jabber? For goodness sake!









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  Reply # 56921 4-Jan-2007 21:32
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Personally, I dont think the motivation is to save bandwidth. The whole data caps situation in NZ is like we're in the military on food rations.

I don't think that building up a list of 'naughty' applications is really the solution to any problem. Peer-to-peer file sharing networks these days are typically very clever networks and should be utilised. Bittorrent's main use is -saving- bandwidth.

A New Zealand tracker which kept track of major downloads run by an ISP would be awesome. Even legal things. A shared proxy would be another good idea although I don't know about the security.

There are many crazy ways to save bandwidth, and it seems that the ISPs arent doing all the thinking. Just going 'dont do this' or 'dont do that'. The limititations put in place to save bandwidth are remarkably similar to the restrictions which the RIAA/MPAA are trying to impose.

Funny that.





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Reply # 56984 5-Jan-2007 13:14
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i was reading a post at the pressf1.co.nz forums and a telecom tech said some go large ip addresses are being hosted in the uk.

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Reply # 56998 5-Jan-2007 14:32
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Yes... hosted in the UK....

I've noticed that a lot of go large addresses appear to old Ausi addressses (hence the Ausi flags on GZ) and also a lot of the CDMA ones appear that they're from the USA. 

It doesn't actually mean that the data is routed there first... just that records haven't been updated etc. 




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Reply # 57208 8-Jan-2007 10:15
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I wouldn't worry too much about who "owns" the IPs...my Go Large IP is right here in front of me, on the WAN side of my ADSL modem, and uses a gateway which is somewhere in the nearest big city to me (at a guess) - I doubt it affects anything apart from an out of date geo-ip lookup table.

As for the traffic shaping - doesn't really bother me much 4pm-midnight; I just wished I had the full bandwidth for the rest of the day...I've been a bit spoilt the last few years as I've been living in London, UK and Canada (don't get me started on the mobile/cell network costs) where bandwidth issues only relate to services that are offered to people to get them off dial-up. Hell, I've got a mate in London who is paying the equivalent of $65 a month for a 24mbps/800kbps unlimited bandwidth connection and is wondering why I still use a television...

Anyway, I agree pepe, some local proxies of some form would be a good idea - the only issues in NZ seem to be international transfers...downloading from NZ sites is blazingly fast (well, in comparison anyway)...I just figure if they put the money into a proxy infrastructure, then they wouldn't have an excuse to charge for bandwidth... I recently downloaded the latest CentOS ISOs - I gave up on bittorrent and ended up using HTTP...what's with that?

The sooner Telstra gets their own paper cups and string across the Pacific, the better, then Telecom/Optus/Yank-com will have to start competing...

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Reply # 58066 16-Jan-2007 13:20
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I phoned xtra in the weekend and the 700Mb cap still applies.
If you go over, you are throttled back to dial-up speed for a week.

I calcuated 700Mb over 8 hours is an average of 3kbps - less than dial-upSurprised
I'm sticking to Adventure.Smile
Can anyone confirm/deny??

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Reply # 58083 16-Jan-2007 14:46
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I don't think that would be the case - Any major change to the plan would require publishing that change and according to their fair usage policy... its just not there.




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Reply # 58093 16-Jan-2007 15:37
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That's wot they told me when I phoned 0800 CALL XTRA.
It sounded like an international call.
The guy on the other line's english wasn't very good.
He wouldn't rate very high on a geek-o-meter Wink
He could have been reading off a cue sheet that was 6-months out-of-date.

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