Number interchange ability- is it Telecoms demise???

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#12211 5-Mar-2007 11:07

Hey all haven't been on for a while as I was starting to forum more than work. So had to give it a miss.

I had a mate over last night who has a Voda jas jam and a telecom 6255i like mine. He was saying in 30 days the same numbers while be able to be taken from a telecom mobile to a vodaphone. And he can't wait to as he wanted to go to Voda but didn't want to loose his long standing 027 mumber. And actually wanted to be able to have both on the same phone??

I have been quite happy with the telecom service but really unhappy with there antiquated range of phones. Over more than one 2 year upgrade cycle. The last time I went to upgrade luckly Geekzone provided me with the phones Telecom where testing at the time(2 years ago) and I waited after my contract ended for 3-4 months for the 6255i to turn up. Because of the ban on the info I don't even have that up my sleeve and the old 6255i is shutting down, the arial has come adrift etc etc.
Now I'm in the same boat!! There is nothing except maybe the Sanyo 8400 that even comes close to the features the 6255i has that doesn't look like it came out of the Ark. With my mates using the sexy looking Voda V6 and KRZR and V3. I'm the joke of the group. That doesn't bother me at all but there ia nothing I like in the Telecom Flip phone range. The 8400 is ok but it doesn't compare in sexyness to the KRZR.

I've had my number for years and years and want to keep it. Alot of us in business don't want to loose our numbers and are tied to Telecom because of printed busness cards letterhead etc etc. Will this mean a mass exodus of telecom customers for the lack of phones and various other reasons.

First of all is it true??

Will the number transportability mean I can buy a V6 or a KRZR and use my 027 number on it????

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#62822 5-Mar-2007 11:34

Yes

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#62823 5-Mar-2007 11:35

The feature you are talking about is called Number Portability. This will be in effect from 1st April in New Zealand. You will be able to have your number moved to another operator - of course you will have a new contract (if required) from the start, meaning most likely you will be locked into the new operator.

The NP is only a way to select the operator, not an out of the contract option.

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#62825 5-Mar-2007 11:38

It's actually called Number Portability and starts on the 1st April.

Yes you can take your 027 number with you to Vodafone or 021/029 number with you to Telecom. You can also port your landline number to any other landline carrier but this can only be done within the same toll zone - ie you can't take an Auckland CBD 09 number to say Pukekohe even though it is still in the 09 area.

It's exciting that NZ finally has portability after years of talking about it but unlike other countries where most mobile networks all use the same technology it may not have the same impact as it will mean people have to buy a new phone to change networks rather than just swapping their SIM card over.

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#62826 5-Mar-2007 11:51

Really? Is it a good thing for our little country? Is it worth the 10's of millions of dollars spent by the Telco's to implement?

Personally it is of no benefit to me at all but it will suit the low spending, fickle prepay users who like to 'chop and change' based on which operator has the 'coolest' handset.

A lot of money to spend for another questionable piece of Labour legislation

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#62827 5-Mar-2007 12:03

Jama: Really? Is it a good thing for our little country? Is it worth the 10's of millions of dollars spent by the Telco's to implement?

Personally it is of no benefit to me at all but it will suit the low spending, fickle prepay users who like to 'chop and change' based on which operator has the 'coolest' handset.

A lot of money to spend for another questionable piece of Labour legislation

Portability has nothing to do with the government. Telecom bragged on their website in the late 90's that they were eagerly awaiting the introduction of portability so you could move you business to Telecom and keep your number..

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#62830 5-Mar-2007 12:36

sbiddle:
Jama: Really? Is it a good thing for our little country? Is it worth the 10's of millions of dollars spent by the Telco's to implement?

Personally it is of no benefit to me at all but it will suit the low spending, fickle prepay users who like to 'chop and change' based on which operator has the 'coolest' handset.

A lot of money to spend for another questionable piece of Labour legislation

Portability has nothing to do with the government. Telecom bragged on their website in the late 90's that they were eagerly awaiting the introduction of portability so you could move you business to Telecom and keep your number..

Sorry I would disagree there the force driving number portability is the Com Com and regulation.

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#62831 5-Mar-2007 12:41

I'm porting some numbers from vodafone to Telecom due to poor service/pricing offered by Vodafone.
I want to keep my 021 xxx xxx number :)

So it works both ways...

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#62835 5-Mar-2007 13:34

mclayma:
sbiddle:
Jama: Really? Is it a good thing for our little country? Is it worth the 10's of millions of dollars spent by the Telco's to implement?

Personally it is of no benefit to me at all but it will suit the low spending, fickle prepay users who like to 'chop and change' based on which operator has the 'coolest' handset.

A lot of money to spend for another questionable piece of Labour legislation

Portability has nothing to do with the government. Telecom bragged on their website in the late 90's that they were eagerly awaiting the introduction of portability so you could move you business to Telecom and keep your number..

Sorry I would disagree there the force driving number portability is the Com Com and regulation.

I didn't say they were the driving force - we all know that privately Telecom have done all they could to delay the introduction of portability. Some of it intentionally, others due to their network being incapable of delivering a workable solution.

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#62836 5-Mar-2007 13:49

I have an unsubstantiated rumour that says Vodafone is not quite ready technically for this, and has asked, and been refused, an extension of time (i.e. push to date for NP to be introduced, back.).

Anyone else heard this from a quotable source?

NP works both ways. Telecom isnt about to lose 50% of its customer base to it or anything silly like that.

By the time you discount all the low spending prepays, and just focus on high value clients (both individuals and business), my prediction is that in the first 24 months, no more than about 5% will leave TNZ because of NP, and slightly less will leave VFNZ (i.e. it will be a slow stream of movers over a long period, with the tide slightly in Vodafones favour).

I beleive the acquisition of new connections that are not gained by way of NP will actually eclipse the ones that are (for both networks).

There will of course be a barrel full of people trying to port numbers asap in both directions for various reasons, but that first big rush will nearly be equal I'd say.

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#62837 5-Mar-2007 13:51

Personally it is of no benefit to me at all but it will suit the low spending, fickle prepay users who like to 'chop and change' based on which operator has the 'coolest' handset.

That was a bit harsh mate!

Well I don't think it is a good thing for telecoms present range of phones.

But I do think you have taken the worst negetive you could think of and displayed it as an ojection.
Some of us aren't fickle pre-pay but when our 2 year contract is up we want something that has
Good looks and functionality. We use it as a phone, adresses book, music player and sometimes camera. In fact we feel incomplete if we've left it at home as it has taken the place of the diary when we need to call someone or solve a situation. If someone wants a number, email address etc we are lost with out it. We have it out in front of all our customers, subbies, professional advisors and friends. We know its got to last as a modern looking work tool till the next end of contract period.

So those of us that spend the time to compare features, image and functionality of all available phones, as we know we will be stuck with it for a year or 2. I think Telecom is lagging a bit behind. And I have no complaints with their service, network coverage or pricing on the mobile side.

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#62841 5-Mar-2007 14:01

sbiddle: I didn't say they were the driving force - we all know that privately Telecom have done all they could to delay the introduction of portability. Some of it intentionally, others due to their network being incapable of delivering a workable solution.

Odd comment - as far as I am aware all is go for April 1st. It has been a huge project with a lot of money spent - millions of dollars. Hardly a delay tactic.

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#62843 5-Mar-2007 14:04

Reckless: Personally it is of no benefit to me at all but it will suit the low spending, fickle prepay users who like to 'chop and change' based on which operator has the 'coolest' handset.

That was a bit harsh mate!

Well I don't think it is a good thing for telecoms present range of phones.

But I do think you have taken the worst negetive you could think of and displayed it as an ojection.
Some of us aren't fickle pre-pay but when our 2 year contract is up we want something that has
Good looks and functionality. We use it as a phone, adresses book, music player and sometimes camera. In fact we feel incomplete if we've left it at home as it has taken the place of the diary when we need to call someone or solve a situation. If someone wants a number, email address etc we are lost with out it. We have it out in front of all our customers, subbies, professional advisors and friends. We know its got to last as a modern looking work tool till the next end of contract period.

So those of us that spend the time to compare features, image and functionality of all available phones, as we know we will be stuck with it for a year or 2. I think Telecom is lagging a bit behind. And I have no complaints with their service, network coverage or pricing on the mobile side.

Mate... get over it, it is just a phone! You make it sound like a loved one - weird.

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#62844 5-Mar-2007 14:09

I should also add that I beleieve 90% of number portabiilty moves (in terms of revenue) will have nothing to do with handset choice (I also wish Telecom had a bigger range of cooler handsets - I want MS Smartphone darnit). Most of the moves in either direction will likely be expenditure decisions by ME (and higher) companies who could afford the risk/disruption of taking up a slightly better competitive offer from the competing network (whatever side they may have been on)

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#62845 5-Mar-2007 14:24

Jama:
sbiddle: I didn't say they were the driving force - we all know that privately Telecom have done all they could to delay the introduction of portability. Some of it intentionally, others due to their network being incapable of delivering a workable solution.

Odd comment - as far as I am aware all is go for April 1st. It has been a huge project with a lot of money spent - millions of dollars. Hardly a delay tactic.

I consider the 4+ years it's taken since portability should have been introduced a pretty big delay tactic..

In fact Telecom's 1997 annual report said they were confident of launching portability in the current year once necessary arrangements have been met.

Telecom then claimed they owned their numbers and stopped an independant body being commissioned to allocate number ranges in NZ. Sounds like a stalling tactic to me..

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#62847 5-Mar-2007 14:33

oh jama why bring your comments down to the gutter!

I thought we wern't supposed to get personal on these forums but if you want a fight you got it.

I hope you don't take the same lack of finesse to your level of: " get over it, its just a" work ethic, clothes, women or other of lifes choices. Call me weird if you like but but your sad mate!!

To all others I thought my points where consumer orientated and valid buying choices.

I didn't come here for a slanging match and I didn't start this so i'm taking Geekzone off my PC for good. B4 I go round to Jamas house and sort this out man to slob!!

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