people still dont seem to know that telecom dont own the lines anymore

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#129126 4-Sep-2013 14:34

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hawkes-bay/9120784/Napier-phone-lines-cut-off-from-NZ

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#889705 4-Sep-2013 14:39

Telecom doesn't own the copper lines but they do actually own the PSTN network, so if the fault was at an exchange (rather than, say, a cut line) it would be their problem, which is what it sounds like from the article, although they would still use Chorus to do maintenance and fix faults

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#889724 4-Sep-2013 15:01

NonprayingMantis: Telecom doesn't own the copper lines but they do actually own the PSTN network, so if the fault was at an exchange (rather than, say, a cut line) it would be their problem, which is what it sounds like from the article, although they would still use Chorus to do maintenance and fix faults

oh really, i thought telecom sold everything but their mobile network so they became a regular ISP just like all the other ones?

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#889753 4-Sep-2013 15:42

hamish225:
NonprayingMantis: Telecom doesn't own the copper lines but they do actually own the PSTN network, so if the fault was at an exchange (rather than, say, a cut line) it would be their problem, which is what it sounds like from the article, although they would still use Chorus to do maintenance and fix faults

oh really, i thought telecom sold everything but their mobile network so they became a regular ISP just like all the other ones?

Incorrect.

All the NEAX's are owned by Telecom.

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#889755 4-Sep-2013 15:45

It was a failure inside the Telecom network, as it effected POTS lines etc (which Telecom does own).

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#889791 4-Sep-2013 16:47

I sometimes wonder if these journalists are all on crack these days. The number of times I see blatant factual inaccuracies in articles.

And don't get me started on the poor grammar and spelling on news sites like Stuff and the NZ Herald.

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#889794 4-Sep-2013 16:50

sbiddle:
hamish225:
NonprayingMantis: Telecom doesn't own the copper lines but they do actually own the PSTN network, so if the fault was at an exchange (rather than, say, a cut line) it would be their problem, which is what it sounds like from the article, although they would still use Chorus to do maintenance and fix faults

oh really, i thought telecom sold everything but their mobile network so they became a regular ISP just like all the other ones?

Incorrect.

All the NEAX's are owned by Telecom.

what do the neax's do again?

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#889816 4-Sep-2013 17:09

hamish225:
sbiddle:
hamish225:
NonprayingMantis: Telecom doesn't own the copper lines but they do actually own the PSTN network, so if the fault was at an exchange (rather than, say, a cut line) it would be their problem, which is what it sounds like from the article, although they would still use Chorus to do maintenance and fix faults

oh really, i thought telecom sold everything but their mobile network so they became a regular ISP just like all the other ones?

Incorrect.

All the NEAX's are owned by Telecom.

what do the neax's do again?

Stuff?

The NEAX is litteraly the exchange, it transfers the call from point A to Point B by..... Black magic (probably Mechanical/digital switchboard) as far as I know, thats as far as I understand it, Maybe someone like ChorusVan or once of the Telecom peeps knows more?

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#889819 4-Sep-2013 17:14

hamish225:

what do the neax's do again?

They're pretty old now being provisioned in the 1980's - but they run the PSTN network for NZ. Here's a picture of some inside an exchange in Wellington:

They are also rock-solid reliability wise which makes Telecom's PSTN network one of the best in the world.

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#889934 4-Sep-2013 21:21

While the above fault looks like a Telecom issue, the OP is still correct about one thing - people still haven't realised Telecom and Chorus and completely separate companies now:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11119558

... until they are paid by Transfield Services, which has been contracted by Telecom business unit Chorus to help with...

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#890018 5-Sep-2013 02:01

michaelmurfy:
hamish225:

what do the neax's do again?

They're pretty old now being provisioned in the 1980's - but they run the PSTN network for NZ. Here's a picture of some inside an exchange in Wellington:

They are also rock-solid reliability wise which makes Telecom's PSTN network one of the best in the world.

oh i see, any particular reason these remained the property of telecom?

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#892694 10-Sep-2013 13:20

hamish225:
michaelmurfy:
hamish225:

what do the neax's do again?

They're pretty old now being provisioned in the 1980's - but they run the PSTN network for NZ. Here's a picture of some inside an exchange in Wellington:

They are also rock-solid reliability wise which makes Telecom's PSTN network one of the best in the world.

oh i see, any particular reason these remained the property of telecom?

Chorus provides network

Retailers provide the service

Since NEAX are part of providing service, Telecom keeps them :)

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#892727 10-Sep-2013 13:54

DarthKermit: I sometimes wonder if these journalists are all on crack these days. The number of times I see blatant factual inaccuracies in articles.

And don't get me started on the poor grammar and spelling on news sites like Stuff and the NZ Herald.

I am not surprised because hardly anyone buys papers now, so all they have got to pay staff is peanuts. Not sure what the pay rates are now for journalists, but from what you hear, it isn't much.

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#892781 10-Sep-2013 15:13

Yyrael:
hamish225:

oh i see, any particular reason these remained the property of telecom?

Chorus provides network Retailers provide the service Since NEAX are part of providing service, Telecom keeps them :)

The asset division between Chorus and Telecom was a lot more complex that people think.

Things like Chorus owns the regional fibre sheaths but only 50% of the fibre strands in the sheath and Telecom owns the other 50% and so on.

.. or who owns the exchange buildings now? Well mostly Chorus who own 100's of them but Telecom still owns the 30 tier 2 national transport network node buildings.