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okkii

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#171005 1-Apr-2015 18:28

just got fiber 30/10

have an airport time capsule, and just wondering if it can be connected directly to the ont?

currently have it connected to the huawei modem(i think it is a router), but want just one router for the house.

does the spark modem have good specs?

thanks

Sheagae

208 posts

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#1275617 1-Apr-2015 19:02

Don't believe that you can directly connect to the ONT in the house. Had mine installed yesterday and the installer thought it could act as a switch but doesn't seem to.

Spyware

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#1275622 1-Apr-2015 19:13

Sheagae: Don't believe that you can directly connect to the ONT in the house. Had mine installed yesterday and the installer thought it could act as a switch but doesn't seem to.

??? You can connect your own routing device directly to ONT, issue is the vlan tagging which apple probably doesn't do.

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Sheagae

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#1275634 1-Apr-2015 19:14

Spyware:
Sheagae: Don't believe that you can directly connect to the ONT in the house. Had mine installed yesterday and the installer thought it could act as a switch but doesn't seem to.

??? You can connect your own routing device directly to ONT, issue is the vlan tagging which apple probably doesn't do.

No, I mean to use the ONT as a switch doesn't seem to work.

Spyware

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#1275637 1-Apr-2015 19:21

Sheagae:
Spyware:
Sheagae: Don't believe that you can directly connect to the ONT in the house. Had mine installed yesterday and the installer thought it could act as a switch but doesn't seem to.

??? You can connect your own routing device directly to ONT, issue is the vlan tagging which apple probably doesn't do.

No, I mean to use the ONT as a switch doesn't seem to work.

Why would it when it aint a switch.

Sheagae

208 posts

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#1275645 1-Apr-2015 19:29

Spyware:
Sheagae:
Spyware:
Sheagae: Don't believe that you can directly connect to the ONT in the house. Had mine installed yesterday and the installer thought it could act as a switch but doesn't seem to.

??? You can connect your own routing device directly to ONT, issue is the vlan tagging which apple probably doesn't do.

No, I mean to use the ONT as a switch doesn't seem to work.

Why would it when it aint a switch.

Because the installer thought it could and even plugged another network port so thought things might have changed.

cbrpilot

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#1275665 1-Apr-2015 19:54

You'd have thought an installer should know better!
The multiple ports on an ONT are if you are buying multiple services. E.g. you could have on port with a Spark broadband connection, and another port for an Orcon broadband connection if you wanted.
That assumes that there is both support for that from both the ISP and the Local Fibre Company - neither of which is guaranteed.

My views are my own, and may not necessarily represent those of my employer.

Scotdownunder

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#1275669 1-Apr-2015 20:01

I would stick with the two boxes.

I set my Timecapsule to bridge mode (so Huawai acts as the router) and ran a cat 5/6 cable to another room (my lounge) giving me a second WiFi point and local wired ports for TV, Tivo, Blu-ray. With such a setup, you get two locations for wired connections and two WiFi points for better coverage - its a big house. I set the two boxes to different fixed channels on the 2.5GHz band. Only downside is coverage overlaps in some places so have to select nearest AP for fastest speed.

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InstallerUFB

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#1275696 1-Apr-2015 20:34

Only one of the ports on the ONT are active per provider - only one provider only the first port

sbiddle

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#1275732 1-Apr-2015 21:33

No current Apple devices can be used as a router on UFB when VLAN tagging is required. Apple aren't yet smart enough to realise VLAN tagging is pretty much the standard for metro fibre deployments globally so don't include that functionality. If you want to use Apple kit you'll need to move to an ISP that offers an untagged UNI port (which there are pros and cons to) or use a switch or device such as a Mikrotik to tag the traffic, of which there are many posts on here (including a blog post I wrote) detailing how to do this.

Darren0

70 posts

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#1276429 2-Apr-2015 21:30

sbiddle: No current Apple devices can be used as a router on UFB when VLAN tagging is required. Apple aren't yet smart enough to realise VLAN tagging is pretty much the standard for metro fibre deployments globally so don't include that functionality. If you want to use Apple kit you'll need to move to an ISP that offers an untagged UNI port (which there are pros and cons to) or use a switch or device such as a Mikrotik to tag the traffic, of which there are many posts on here (including a blog post I wrote) detailing how to do this.

What are the cons to having an untagged UNI port?

DarkShadow

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#1276460 2-Apr-2015 22:04

Darren0:
What are the cons to having an untagged UNI port?

You can't use the CBR guaranteed bandwidth.

sbiddle

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#1276569 3-Apr-2015 06:42

Darren0:
sbiddle: No current Apple devices can be used as a router on UFB when VLAN tagging is required. Apple aren't yet smart enough to realise VLAN tagging is pretty much the standard for metro fibre deployments globally so don't include that functionality. If you want to use Apple kit you'll need to move to an ISP that offers an untagged UNI port (which there are pros and cons to) or use a switch or device such as a Mikrotik to tag the traffic, of which there are many posts on here (including a blog post I wrote) detailing how to do this.

What are the cons to having an untagged UNI port?

You have no CIR component on your connection. It's explained in detail on my blog post about this if you search for it.