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#195426 19-Apr-2016 21:41
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Hi @BigPipeNZ

 

Is there an ETA for Bigpipe UFB in Kapiti? My guess is between July 2016/November 2016.

 

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  #1536271 20-Apr-2016 09:28
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It wouldn't surprise me if Bigpipe (along with a lot of other ISPs) never entered the Kapiti market - the economics simply don't stack up for a handover with Vodafone having such a huge market share there with the cable network. This is discussed in depth in quite a few other threads discussing this very issue.

 

If Chorus launch tail extensions for UFB this may change.




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  #1536402 20-Apr-2016 11:03
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Hmm. Bigpipe probably aren't offering fibre in Kapiti because it isn't economically/financially viable - the majority of Waikanae/Raumati won't get fibre for a few years yet...

 

Yet while Bigpipe don't offer fibre, 2Degrees/Spark/Orcon/Myrepublic do.


 
 
 
 


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  #1536409 20-Apr-2016 11:12
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ethanbmnz:

 

Hmm. Bigpipe probably aren't offering fibre in Kapiti because it isn't economically/financially viable - the majority of Waikanae/Raumati won't get fibre for a few years yet...

 

Yet while Bigpipe don't offer fibre, 2Degrees/Spark/Orcon/Myrepublic do.

 

 

It's not economically feasible because Vodafone have (last I heard) around 65% of all premises up there on cable. xDSL market share up there is incredibly small for all ISPs as a result so there is not even a logical upgrade path for existing xDSL customers for ISP's. It wouldn't actually surprise me in the slightest if some existing providers don't actually break even on the cost of providing a POP there due to their small market share.

 

Anyway all of this is discussed in the various threads on here, including one from only a couple of days ago.

 

 


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  #1536414 20-Apr-2016 11:19
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Alot of UFB areas are not economically feasible.

 

Ashburton, Waiheke Island, Fielding are some others. Unsure why CFH allowed such small areas to be UFB pick up areas.


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  #1536422 20-Apr-2016 11:25
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Sounddude:

 

Alot of UFB areas are not economically feasible.

 

Ashburton, Waiheke Island, Fielding are some others. Unsure why CFH allowed such small areas to be UFB pick up areas.

 

 

Many of these have handover in a bigger area, eg Waiheke in Auckland, and Fielding in Palmerston North, so it doesn't take more work to serve there.


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  #1536432 20-Apr-2016 11:47
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DarkShadow:

 

 

 

Many of these have handover in a bigger area, eg Waiheke in Auckland, and Fielding in Palmerston North, so it doesn't take more work to serve there.

 

 

You still have to have another handover, at a higher cost and not available for all areas. They are not handed over on the major city handover.


 
 
 
 


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  #1536500 20-Apr-2016 12:28
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sbiddle:

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Bigpipe (along with a lot of other ISPs) never entered the Kapiti market - the economics simply don't stack up for a handover with Vodafone having such a huge market share there with the cable network. This is discussed in depth in quite a few other threads discussing this very issue.

 

If Chorus launch tail extensions for UFB this may change.

 

 

 

 

Just to cover off an official answer from us. It is this.

 

 

 

No plans to get a special handover for Kapiti - it's simply too expensive for us to justify it. So it would be at least 12 months away, probably more.

 

 

 

If TES (tail extension service) for UFB ever happens, we likely will do it then, as we won't need to invest in a handover, but not sure when that might be (maybe this year, maybe not)





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  #1536513 20-Apr-2016 12:38
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Now that there's an official answer I don't feel like I'm sidetracking the thread too much by asking this :)

 

Any chance of Whakatane? Obviously our population is less than that of Kapiti, but it appears at a glance that the economics may be better here (simply based on the fact that we already have more ISP choices than Kapiti does).


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  #1536576 20-Apr-2016 13:25
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While you're answering these questions, and you're turning on Hamilton which is a UFF area -- what about Whanganui?


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  #1536577 20-Apr-2016 13:26
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It seems that the floodgates are open now! :)


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  #1536883 20-Apr-2016 17:35
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Sounddude:

 

DarkShadow:

 

 

 

Many of these have handover in a bigger area, eg Waiheke in Auckland, and Fielding in Palmerston North, so it doesn't take more work to serve there.

 

 

You still have to have another handover, at a higher cost and not available for all areas. They are not handed over on the major city handover.

 

 

 

 

For Waiheke, the options for handover are GLF/MDR, same as everywhere in Auckland? Same with Fielding and PN handover?


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  #1537298 21-Apr-2016 10:49
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Behodar:

 

Now that there's an official answer I don't feel like I'm sidetracking the thread too much by asking this :)

 

Any chance of Whakatane? Obviously our population is less than that of Kapiti, but it appears at a glance that the economics may be better here (simply based on the fact that we already have more ISP choices than Kapiti does).

 

 

 

 

No immediate plans for any further roll out beyond what we already have

 

We now have handovers in: 

 

Auckland

 

Wellington

 

Dunedin

 

Christchurch

 

Palmerston North

 

Hamilton.

 

 





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  #1537322 21-Apr-2016 11:23
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Surely the Kapiti market is ripe to have Vodafone's cable domination taken off them based on the poor performance over the last 12 months.

 

 

 

I bet I am not the only one who has no other option than Vodafone cable and is waiting eagerly for fibre to go live, I certainly won't be keeping Vodafone as my ISP!


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  #1537448 21-Apr-2016 13:35
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BigPipeNZ: No immediate plans for any further roll out beyond what we already have

 

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