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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11633453

 

Fast LTE...

 

Spark and Huawei enabled the first 4.5G mobile site in New Zealand and reached record mobile data speeds.

 

A mobile data speed of 1.15Gbps (gigabits per second) was reached in a speed test done today at Spark's Hereford St exchange in Christchurch.

 

Spark said it was the fastest mobile data speed in New Zealand, and three times faster than the highest recorded speed on the Spark network.

 

4.5G is an evolution of the 4G network that had previously not been trialled or commercially available in New Zealand...

 

 


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  #1546793 4-May-2016 18:48
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Now. Please no "I'll use up all my data in 18 seconds". A webpage or YouTube clip is still the same size.

 
 
 

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  #1546811 4-May-2016 19:22
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Sigh, it's great to know Mobile continues to get faster, but I genuinely have never been more disinterested. 1gbps...? I'd be happy with a good AVERAGE Speed around town, not massive peaks and troughs. 2degrees in welly continues to have black spots, atrocious handovers, near zero capacity in town during the day.

Perhaps I've just been around this stuff too long.




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antoniosk: Sigh, it's great to know Mobile continues to get faster, but I genuinely have never been more disinterested. 1gbps...? I'd be happy with a good AVERAGE Speed around town, not massive peaks and troughs. 2degrees in welly continues to have black spots, atrocious handovers, near zero capacity in town during the day.

Perhaps I've just been around this stuff too long.


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  #1546816 4-May-2016 19:30
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atleast they arent calling it 5G.





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  #1546824 4-May-2016 19:56
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hio77:

 

atleast they arent calling it 5G.

 

 

 

 

Its a test. It may well be 5G, but I gather its an informal test. The next step is arming the backhaul to cater for usage. If it can, well, thats a major. Our traditional BB connection is an anywhere connection. Roll on 20 years, our kids are laughing at this post.


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antoniosk: Sigh, it's great to know Mobile continues to get faster, but I genuinely have never been more disinterested. 1gbps...? I'd be happy with a good AVERAGE Speed around town, not massive peaks and troughs. 2degrees in welly continues to have black spots, atrocious handovers, near zero capacity in town during the day.

Perhaps I've just been around this stuff too long.

 

1.15gbps was achieved in ideal real world conditions with custom hardware because it doesnt exist in commercial form yet, but you can expect 4.5G to lift average speeds above vanilla LTE.

 

On the coverage/capacity/handover front, not to be a dick or anything, but that might be a reflection of that particular network moreso than ours :P

 

 

 

 

 

tdgeek:

 

hio77:

 

atleast they arent calling it 5G.

 

 

 

 

Its a test. It may well be 5G, but I gather its an informal test. The next step is arming the backhaul to cater for usage. If it can, well, thats a major. Our traditional BB connection is an anywhere connection. Roll on 20 years, our kids are laughing at this post.

 

 

 

 

I might be misinterpreting you (and apologies if i am!), but this isn't a test, it's live and in our network right now. 

 

 

 

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I'm amazed that that radio waves can rival fibre.

 

Sure you can probably get 'ideal conditions' for fibre with unreleased hardware and do 10Gbps, but still.




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  #1547192 5-May-2016 13:37
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Great work by spark and good to see the TD2300 being put to use.

 

 

 

But a few things, anyone who knows further please correct/add...

 

tdgeek: Now. Please no "I'll use up all my data in 18 seconds". A webpage or YouTube clip is still the same size.

 

Curiously you may find your youtube clips to be larger - youtube and other video streaming services dynamically adjust bitrate based on your estimated available bandwidth. If an area was previously lower speeds and therefore 360/480p streaming on average, and now it can easily deliver 720/1080/1440p resulting in more data usage.

 

But yes anyone saying that is missing the point in this.

 

 

 

antoniosk: Sigh, it's great to know Mobile continues to get faster, but I genuinely have never been more disinterested. 1gbps...? I'd be happy with a good AVERAGE Speed around town, not massive peaks and troughs. 2degrees in welly continues to have black spots, atrocious handovers, near zero capacity in town during the day.

Perhaps I've just been around this stuff too long.

 

The thing about mobile networks is they are a shared medium. This doesn't mean everyone on the cell site is going to see 1gbps. Theres a certain total capacity (depending on the number of carriers etc) which everyone must share. A faster peak rate like this means a bigger pipe for everyone to have a share of. This is literally increasing your average speed, so this is great for everyone.

 

tdgeek:

 

hio77:

 

atleast they arent calling it 5G.

 

 

 

 

Its a test. It may well be 5G, but I gather its an informal test. The next step is arming the backhaul to cater for usage. If it can, well, thats a major. Our traditional BB connection is an anywhere connection. Roll on 20 years, our kids are laughing at this post.

 

 

It's not 5G, its LTE Advanced, which is standardized in 3GPP Release 10 onwards. Calling it 5G would be like how T-Mobile called HSPA+ 4G when it was not.

 

 

 

Dairyxox:

 

I'm amazed that that radio waves can rival fibre.

 

Sure you can probably get 'ideal conditions' for fibre with unreleased hardware and do 10Gbps, but still.

 

 

The reasons above however mean that if you were to compare this to fibre, you'd have to be comparing to running a whole section of a neighbourhood off a 1gbps connection. Sure, if no one else uses it, you'll hit that speed, but that's not how it works in reality. Hence the comment above about how this increases maximum capacity.


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Dairyxox:

 

I'm amazed that that radio waves can rival fibre.

 

Sure you can probably get 'ideal conditions' for fibre with unreleased hardware and do 10Gbps, but still.

 

 

Not unreleased, you can buy 10Gbps fibre in Singapore and certain American cities now.


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  #1547807 6-May-2016 19:47
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eXDee:

 

 

 

hio77:

 

atleast they arent calling it 5G.

 

 

 

 

It's not 5G, its LTE Advanced, which is standardized in 3GPP Release 10 onwards. Calling it 5G would be like how T-Mobile called HSPA+ 4G when it was not.

 

 

The USA Market calling things such as H+ 4G was the reference i was making...





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  #1547823 6-May-2016 21:13
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LTE Advanced has been used in other overseas networks for at least 12 months.

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_Advanced

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G


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  #1547904 7-May-2016 09:12
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ajw:

 

LTE Advanced has been used in other overseas networks for at least 12 months.

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_Advanced

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G

 

 

Both Vodafone and Spark already have LTE-A networks. Spark's trial is merely bonding 2300 to it.

 

 

 

 


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SparkNZ:

 

1.15gbps was achieved in ideal real world conditions with custom hardware because it doesn't exist in commercial form yet, but you can expect 4.5G to lift average speeds above vanilla LTE.

 

 

Hi Sam

 

Was wondering if your allowed to share more information? I believe the spectrum is shared and thus the speeds your getting are due to the lack of production utilisation on the spectrum at the time of the test.

How many users were connected at LTE+ at the time of the test?
What do you think the real world speed's will be like?

The reason why I ask these questions we always hear about great speed's with wireless but come to actual real world the performance a lot less due the shared nature of the spectrum. For example I'm on normal LTE on the spark network in the Auckland CBD I get 16/12mbit (Right now) however if I stay up to very late in the night I'm able to get closer to 50mbit.

 

 





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Nebbie:

 

 

 

Hi Sam

 

Was wondering if your allowed to share more information? I believe the spectrum is shared and thus the speeds your getting are due to the lack of production utilisation on the spectrum at the time of the test.

How many users were connected at LTE+ at the time of the test?
What do you think the real world speed's will be like?

The reason why I ask these questions we always hear about great speed's with wireless but come to actual real world the performance a lot less due the shared nature of the spectrum. For example I'm on normal LTE on the spark network in the Auckland CBD I get 16/12mbit (Right now) however if I stay up to very late in the night I'm able to get closer to 50mbit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

While not directly related to Sparks testing, in Auckland CBD, i pretty consistently hit 100/30

 

 

 

So LTE speeds can easily fly even in busy places but there are so many variables there..





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Nebbie:

 

SparkNZ:

 

1.15gbps was achieved in ideal real world conditions with custom hardware because it doesn't exist in commercial form yet, but you can expect 4.5G to lift average speeds above vanilla LTE.

 

 

Hi Sam

 

Was wondering if your allowed to share more information? I believe the spectrum is shared and thus the speeds your getting are due to the lack of production utilisation on the spectrum at the time of the test.

How many users were connected at LTE+ at the time of the test?
What do you think the real world speed's will be like?

The reason why I ask these questions we always hear about great speed's with wireless but come to actual real world the performance a lot less due the shared nature of the spectrum. For example I'm on normal LTE on the spark network in the Auckland CBD I get 16/12mbit (Right now) however if I stay up to very late in the night I'm able to get closer to 50mbit.

 

 

 

 

See my post above about sharing. All cellular bandwidth is shared, and you're observing this directly yourself. When they tested i'd wager a very minimal amount of devices were on the 2300mhz spectrum. Probably few on the 2600mhz spectrum and 700mhz spectrums too, because most are on 1800 which is what the majority of devices support. As i understand it the latter 1800 was not used in this test but the other three were.

 

In reality main purpose of these upgrades really is to increase capacity/speed for the network as a whole so there's more to share. The single user high burst speeds like this make the headlines but aren't the main purpose.

 

And what really matters with mobile service is the real world usage. Can you stream a video at an acceptable quality, share media, and load pages in a reasonable time? If the answer is yes then the speedtests are just trivia that's burning your data.


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