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#230573 2-Mar-2018 14:05

Had our final fiber install done today, unfortunately the lan cable wiring in the switchbox was not sufficient to complete the job. The house has CAT5e cables throughout but only 2 of 8 wires in the cables were connected at the box... I guess fiber wasn't in the neighborhood 12 years ago when the house was built so they didn't bother. Is it correct that Chorus don't do this wiring and it requires an electrician?

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#1967062 2-Mar-2018 14:17

Is it correct that Chorus don't do this wiring and it requires an electrician?

No an electrician is probably the last person you want, most have no idea about data wiring,

You need a data cable installer- or whatever they call themselves these days

Are the Cat 5e cables terminated? or just raw wires coming out of the wall?,

Or you if you feel up to it, you could get a crimp tool and some plugs and DIY it...

But in any case you are going to need a multiport switch to plug them all into and then plug that into the UFB supplied router..

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#1967102 2-Mar-2018 14:46

Yeah I won't be doing any wiring as I have no idea lol, but this photo should tell you. You can see the fibre box Chorus installed at the bottom.

I'll have landline over fiber (with the Connector Pack which features Dual Number). I'm not sure if old phones will work at any phone jack, but
Chorus says yes as long as the wiring is done as previously mentioned. wiring

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#1967103 2-Mar-2018 14:50

Pretty easy to do it yourself, you could get away with asking someone here on GZ to use their's for the weekend. If you're in Auckland, I could help you out.

Edit: oops, that requires a push down cable tool, way easy than a crimping tool

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#1967105 2-Mar-2018 14:55

Now that looks like something used by older technologies, if that network module isn't a switch I would put cat 5 plugs and then have a switch/router connecting them to the fibre box.

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#1967106 2-Mar-2018 14:56

Oh, OK its not as bad as I thought it could be, but its an ugly mess...

For the Internet all you need is a switch, and a bunch of short patch cables, to plug from the top set of connectors to the switch, then connect the switch into the provided modem,

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#1967112 2-Mar-2018 15:07

The "two wire" pairs are for the phone. They only need one pair.

The "network module" above looks like it has eight wires connected to at least some of the ports (2,4,6,7 and 8).

So if you wanted to get going today, you could even dispense with the switch. The modem/router provided by our ISP should do at a pinch.

#1 Plug the ONT into the modem.

#2 From the modem plug a network cable from one of the LAN ports into one of the "patch" ports on your "network module" (2,4,6,7 or 8).

You probably won't have enough to cover them all - the HG659 that is quite common these days provides four - so one port in your house would not be connected. And they've probably only given you one or two network cables. But it should be enough to get up and running today...

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#1967113 2-Mar-2018 15:11

wellygary:

Oh, OK its not as bad as I thought it could be, but its an ugly mess...

For the Internet all you need is a switch, and a bunch of short patch cables, to plug from the top set of connectors to the switch, then connect the switch into the provided modem,

You mean connect a switch to the fiber box shown there? The modem will ultimately be installed in another room, its connected to that box temporarily. I'm not sure a switch will fit in that cabinet... its pretty small & badly designed. In any case I'd prefer to get a pro installer to come out and sort it properly and have emailed a few companies.

Chorus is pretty rubbish for not pointing this out when they saw it 10 days ago during the 1st scope install, I could have had it sorted during that time.

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#1967117 2-Mar-2018 15:17

It does my head in these home wiring installs lack of labelling they expect home users to guess every bloody thing.

Here is my Quic referral https://account.quic.nz/refer/39513 if you are keen to change ISP and to get free setup (save $29). I will get a $50 credit if you use this. Thank you very much if you use my link but I'm sure there are quite a few others who could share the same on here, no hard feelings if you use a different link.

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#1967118 2-Mar-2018 15:18

evnafets:

So if you wanted to get going today, you could even dispense with the switch. The modem/router provided by our ISP should do at a pinch.

#1 Plug the ONT into the modem.

#2 From the modem plug a network cable from one of the LAN ports into one of the "patch" ports on your "network module" (2,4,6,7 or 8).

You probably won't have enough to cover them all - the HG659 that is quite common these days provides four - so one port in your house would not be connected. And they've probably only given you one or two network cables. But it should be enough to get up and running today...

Yes fiber is already running over wireless, but the modem can't stay where it is. There is no room for it (currently on a chair lol), and also I'll eventually want it connected by ethernet to my workstation in another room (FiberMax).

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#1967130 2-Mar-2018 15:48

My understanding is that you have the ONT, Modem and potentially a switch all at this 'central' spot.
You connect patch cables to your "Network module" which then disperses the ethernet to the wall sockets around the house - presumably there is one where your workstation is?

You then connect ethernet from the wall socket to your workstation - not directly to the modem.

Thats the idea at least.

If you have your modem where the computer is, only the computer can get the internet, and none of the other ethernet wall sockets in the house would work...

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#1967132 2-Mar-2018 15:50

arcon:

The modem will ultimately be installed in another room, its connected to that box temporarily. I'm not sure a switch will fit in that cabinet... its pretty small & badly designed. In any case I'd prefer to get a pro installer to come out and sort it properly and have emailed a few companies.

Chorus is pretty rubbish for not pointing this out when they saw it 10 days ago during the 1st scope install, I could have had it sorted during that time.

Unless you have a room with "there and back" double Ethernet runs, the modem router has to stay next to the Fibre ONT,(the ONT doesn't have a DHCP server )

The ISPs seriously need to look at some better options for Structured installs, rather then simply sending out a consumer fronting modem that is destined to be locked in a comms cupboard,

I've just been through this with my father-in-law, lovely new house, structured wiring, comms cabinet, with fibre conduits, and they simply bug a Huawei modem in the comms box ( that is in the laundry)-- its just nuts,

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#1967135 2-Mar-2018 16:05

evnafets:

My understanding is that you have the ONT, Modem and potentially a switch all at this 'central' spot.
You connect patch cables to your "Network module" which then disperses the ethernet to the wall sockets around the house - presumably there is one where your workstation is?

You then connect ethernet from the wall socket to your workstation - not directly to the modem.

Thats the idea at least.

If you have your modem where the computer is, only the computer can get the internet, and none of the other ethernet wall sockets in the house would work...

? Other devices can still access the internet over the fibre modem's wireless can't they? (assuming they don't need full FibreMax speed). Or does the modem simply not work unless its connected directly?

Having the modem in the garage basically means hundreds of $$$, I need to rip out the freaking cabinet and get it replaced.

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#1967142 2-Mar-2018 16:26

arcon:

evnafets:

My understanding is that you have the ONT, Modem and potentially a switch all at this 'central' spot.
You connect patch cables to your "Network module" which then disperses the ethernet to the wall sockets around the house - presumably there is one where your workstation is?

You then connect ethernet from the wall socket to your workstation - not directly to the modem.

Thats the idea at least.

If you have your modem where the computer is, only the computer can get the internet, and none of the other ethernet wall sockets in the house would work...

? Other devices can still access the internet over the fibre modem's wireless can't they? (assuming they don't need full FibreMax speed). Or does the modem simply not work unless its connected directly?

Having the modem in the garage basically means hundreds of $$$, I need to rip out the freaking cabinet and get it replaced.

Yes, Wireless will work, but none of the other wired ports around the house will have any internet connection

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#1967156 2-Mar-2018 16:35

wellygary:

arcon:

evnafets:

My understanding is that you have the ONT, Modem and potentially a switch all at this 'central' spot.
You connect patch cables to your "Network module" which then disperses the ethernet to the wall sockets around the house - presumably there is one where your workstation is?

You then connect ethernet from the wall socket to your workstation - not directly to the modem.

Thats the idea at least.

If you have your modem where the computer is, only the computer can get the internet, and none of the other ethernet wall sockets in the house would work...

? Other devices can still access the internet over the fibre modem's wireless can't they? (assuming they don't need full FibreMax speed). Or does the modem simply not work unless its connected directly?

Having the modem in the garage basically means hundreds of $$$, I need to rip out the freaking cabinet and get it replaced.

Yes, Wireless will work, but none of the other wired ports around the house will have any internet connection

Ok, that would be ok but does that mean landline(s) over fiber will be a total bust unless the modem is right next to the ONT?

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#1967166 2-Mar-2018 17:04

arcon:

Ok, that would be ok but does that mean landline(s) over fiber will be a total bust unless the modem is right next to the ONT?

From memory spark run their voice service straight form the ONT, so just connect the POTS1 port off the ONT into the wiring, it doesn't need the modem...

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