Get fibre provisioned through foundation in new build.

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Paul1977

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#269991 18-Apr-2020 18:03

I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask this question.

I'm a Spark customer in Christchurch who is building a new house, and I would like for the fibre to be provisioned up through the slab rather than being visible on the exterior of the house.

There is conduit already in place for the water main and there looks to be ample room to run the fibre through the same conduit, but presumably this would have to be done before the house is gibbed (which I assume is before Enable would usually get involved?).

A red fibre tube thingy has been run to the exterior of the house right next to the water mains, but my project manager says that the Enable always does the fibre through the side of the house? Does this have to be the case, as it makes far more sense to me to put it through the conduit in the slab?

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#2465007 18-Apr-2020 18:14

It will be their policy, we've managed to get Chorus to break their rule on this a couple of times. Sometimes if it's their only option (and the fibre is brought inside the building) they will just do the install no problem. I don't know how flexible your LFC is...

Jase2985

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#2465013 18-Apr-2020 18:27

Talking to chorus they will do an ETP-less instillation, im sure enable should be able to do the same.

unsure if they will want to use the same conduit as the water though.

nztim

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#2465019 18-Apr-2020 18:33

*USUALLY* the ETP should be on the side of the house, but not always like in this example of a recent install....

The old copper pipe entered the raised foundation in the middle of the floorplan and was reused for fibre, so that is where the ETP went... TBH first time I have seen that done

darkasdes2

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#2465059 18-Apr-2020 19:59

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mdubsnz

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#2465071 18-Apr-2020 20:24

We eventually got Chorus to agree to this type of install when we built in Auckland a few years ago. We were told multiple times prior to the install that it wasn't an option and wouldn't be approved. When it came installation time we managed to get our installer to agree after some evoking and speaking with his manager. I think a large part of him agreeing was because the install was so straight forward he was able to do it on the scope day. All he had to do was blow the fibre from the boundary into the wall cavity and fit off vs. having to cut the conduit, redirect up the side of the house and cut through the weatherboard. Our PM said through the slab was how they were fitting off fibre for all new builds and they hadn't had any issues previously 🤷‍♂️.

Oddly, when I was trying to find technical specs that explicitly showed this type of install was or wasn't an option, I'm sure I came across an Enable document that showed it was a valid install option for their network. When I showed this to Chorus, they didn't want a bar of it given it wasn't their specs.

Edit: Page 6 here states "If the Service lead-in has been laid directly into the premise without an ETP then the pre-wire shall run from the Service lead-in entry point to the Home Media Panel or Communications Panel" which I interpret to mean it can come in via the slab.

Paul1977

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#2465072 18-Apr-2020 20:28

darkasdes2: @EnableFibreBroadband

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Thanks, I didn't realise that. @EnableFibreBroadband are you able to provide some guidance here?

Paul1977

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#2465074 18-Apr-2020 20:48

Jase2985:

Talking to chorus they will do an ETP-less instillation, im sure enable should be able to do the same.

unsure if they will want to use the same conduit as the water though.

I said "conduit" but it's really just a short bit of PVC pipe that was fixed in place so when they poured the slab there’d be a hole for services.

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#2465078 18-Apr-2020 21:06

I'll have a chat with our enable folk for you, but Past that Can't really comment sorry; I'm not fully up on their processes for nonstandard installs etc.

for any LFC, having an accessible ETP is very handy if anything should go wrong, Particularly for example times like now...

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Jase2985

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#2465079 18-Apr-2020 21:09

Paul1977:

Jase2985:

Talking to chorus they will do an ETP-less instillation, im sure enable should be able to do the same.

unsure if they will want to use the same conduit as the water though.

I said "conduit" but it's really just a short bit of PVC pipe that was fixed in place so when they poured the slab there’d be a hole for services.

i got that bit, its weather they will want to put it in the same conduit as another service though.

Paul1977

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#2465113 18-Apr-2020 22:59

hio77:

I'll have a chat with our enable folk for you, but Past that Can't really comment sorry; I'm not fully up on their processes for nonstandard installs etc.

for any LFC, having an accessible ETP is very handy if anything should go wrong, Particularly for example times like now...

Thanks @hio77 that would be great.

I'll get onto Spark on Monday to get the ball rolling to get it scoped as well.

TechSol

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#2465182 19-Apr-2020 08:14

It’s more a question of legal separation of services. Your plumber may very well have an issue with it, as they have a minimum separation distance too.

Getting chorus or enable to ‘bend’ their ideal install rules is just a matter of whoever you get and how they feel about it.

nztim

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#2465328 19-Apr-2020 11:25

hio77:

for any LFC, having an accessible ETP is very handy if anything should go wrong, Particularly for example times like now...

Makes sense... in the example I posted above I would hate to be a chorus tech crawling into the middle of that space to fix a fault

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#2465351 19-Apr-2020 11:43

nztim:
hio77:

for any LFC, having an accessible ETP is very handy if anything should go wrong, Particularly for example times like now...

Makes sense... in the example I posted above I would hate to be a chorus tech crawling into the middle of that space to fix a fault

yup. Would not surprise me if that install doesn't meet standards... If those still exist ;)

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EnableFibreBroadband

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#2467436 21-Apr-2020 21:44

Hi there, thanks for looping us into the convo - sorry for the late reply! It's a Government requirement that we have ETPs installed on the outside of the house, as we need to be able to quickly and easily access the ETP to reinstate the connection in the event of outage. It's also safer for our techs when completing installs. Hope that helps! Thanks, the Enable team

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darkasdes2

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#2467541 22-Apr-2020 07:41

Would the OP consider putting the ETP on the side of the house and the run the fibre to the ont via the conduit in the slab into the house?

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