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#324543 26-Apr-2026 12:10
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I'm in an ongoing drama with Spark. I have a landline phone. I rang a business's local (which means free for me) land line phone. That business operates an IVR I believe it is called. A machine answered my call and said which option did I require. I picked option 1 and was transferred to a person who I spoke with. I rang the same business land line number another time and picked option 2. The phone was not answered, I got a voice mail saying to leave a message. I did not leave a message.

 

I was shocked to discover when my Spark bill arrived I had been charged for calls to two different mobile phones, on the days I rang this local business landline number. It took a long while before I figured out what was happening.

 

I know what is happening I just don't know how it is happening. And neither do Spark, who have constantly tried to gaslight me.

 

But, it hasn't just happened to me. I know of another person, using a landline phone to call this land line number who also got stung with hidden mobile phone charges.

 

What is happening is this business is transferring all calls that come into its landline number to different mobile phone numbers and somehow making this transfer a collect call or reverse charge call, WITHOUT warning the caller this is happening. And when the Spark bill arrives it looks as though the person actually made calls directly to the mobile phone themself.

 

I know I did not push those numbers into my handset. The number I dialled was a local number so should not have even registered on my Spark account.

 

The business that is doing this is also a Spark customer.

 

Spark have told me, what I already knew, when a business transfers a call like this the business pays for this transfer "Typically, when calls are transferred via a IVR phone system, the receiver is charged if the call is diverted to their mobile phone."

 

A friend went into a Spark business hub in person and asked about it and was told it was not possible to do this using normal business phone systems. And yet it is happening.

 

Spark have finally admitted to me, after I made a complaint to the TDR, that charges were incorrectly applied to my account and that they were doing something about it with regard to the business in question. As of yesterday they hadn't as I know of someone who tested it out yesterday and the call forwarding system this business uses is still working as an undisclosed collect call. 

 

As I have told Spark, repeatedly, this is totally unacceptable, and amounts to fraud from where I am standing. 

 

I'm assuming there is a fault or problem somewhere with the software that runs all of this.

 

But maybe not, maybe there is actually a way this can happen but most people, including all of Spark tech people are not aware of it.

 

Does anyone have any ideas?

 

Thanks. 

 

 


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  #3484359 26-Apr-2026 12:57
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This is strange.

 

What was the first 4 digits of the number you called? 





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  #3484414 26-Apr-2026 13:58
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That is pretty bad and a good warning for people to check their phone bills. It is the sort of thing that Fair Go used to cover. I believe call forwarding is pretty normal but the caller shouldn’t be paying if they called a local number and the recipient has forwarding setup. Crazy and good on you for taking it further


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  #3484418 26-Apr-2026 14:16
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kiwiharry:

 

This is strange.

 

What was the first 4 digits of the number you called? 

 

 

I am in Dunedin. The number I called starts with 4564

 

This has never happened to me ever, in all my years of using my landline phone. That is why it took me so long to figure out what was actually occurring. 




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  #3484419 26-Apr-2026 14:20
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mattwnz:

 

That is pretty bad and a good warning for people to check their phone bills. It is the sort of thing that Fair Go used to cover. I believe call forwarding is pretty normal but the caller shouldn’t be paying if they called a local number and the recipient has forwarding setup. Crazy and good on you for taking it further

 

 

I am quite sure, due to a conversation I had with a staff member from this business that the owners of the business know this is happening.

 

I have also contacted the Commerce Commission. 


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  #3484447 26-Apr-2026 17:49
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I had a case back in 2018 where a local Auckland number or 0800 number to the same ferry info line was appearing on our Vodafone (at that time) landline bill as a 0832 call and charged at $0.10 (type IQ call) but the 0800 number was free on my 2 degrees cellphone. Never got to the bottom of it but Vodafone did refund the charges.

 

Good luck getting this resolved.





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  #3484450 26-Apr-2026 18:20
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Does it simply show the local landline number along with the respective charge on your bill? If so, it’d be pretty easy to argue you’ve been charged to call a local number from your landline (assuming both numbers are in free calling areas).


 
 
 
 

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  #3484457 26-Apr-2026 18:50
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So they are billing on the diversion / termination number which is totally wrong


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  #3484543 27-Apr-2026 06:21
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Aucklandjafa:Does it simply show the local landline number along with the respective charge on your bill? If so, it’d be pretty easy to argue you’ve been charged to call a local number from your landline (assuming both numbers are in free calling areas).

 

No, as stated in my post, the only number that showed up on my Spark bill is the mobile number. When I call a local number using my landline it is always free for me to do so, and as such local numbers never show up on my account.


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  #3484545 27-Apr-2026 06:29
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Linux:

 

So they are billing on the diversion / termination number which is totally wrong

 

 

Thank you, I know it's wrong, it's totally unethical as I was not warned it was going to happen. Can you shed any light on how though it is happening? 

 

After a huge fight Spark finally credited me the charges (which were tiny) but that's not the point and that's not why I am still investigating this.


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  #3484546 27-Apr-2026 06:59
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This is 100% a billing fault and needs to be investigated by SparkNZ and fixed


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  #3484557 27-Apr-2026 09:13
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Linux:

 

This is 100% a billing fault and needs to be investigated by SparkNZ and fixed

 

 

Absolutely. But I also want to know how it happened, so it can't be allowed to happen again. I am quite sure this is far bigger than just me being stung like this. 


 
 
 

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  #3484558 27-Apr-2026 09:17
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cb1:I had a case back in 2018 where a local Auckland number or 0800 number to the same ferry info line was appearing on our Vodafone (at that time) landline bill as a 0832 call and charged at $0.10 (type IQ call) but the 0800 number was free on my 2 degrees cellphone. Never got to the bottom of it but Vodafone did refund the charges.

 

Good luck getting this resolved. 

 

Thanks. I won't be happy until they tell me how it happened. And what steps they have taken to ensure it never happens again.


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  #3484678 27-Apr-2026 10:52
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Google example ' CDR records ' basically a comma separated file coming off the core network and they are rating / billing on the incorrect field in that file


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  #3484706 27-Apr-2026 12:11
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Linux:Google example ' CDR records ' basically a comma separated file coming off the core network and they are rating / billing on the incorrect field in that file 

 

Thanks. Googled that, read the AI overview. I still don't understand though how this happened. Are you saying human error when it was initially set up? In my efforts to understand how this happened, as like I've already said, Spark NZ have gaslit me for weeks over this, I came across the possibility that the business concerned might have been paying for another type of phone service that did this (made transfer calls to their mobile numbers collect calls/reverse charge). 


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  #3484736 27-Apr-2026 14:55
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When you took them to the TDR, did the telco then resolve it for you directly,  or did it go to the TDR to adjudicate on it? If the TDR is involved they should be getting those questions answered for you.  I think the public really need to know what caused this in case others could also be affected. If the telco is making money from it they don’t have much a financial incentive to resolve it. 


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