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hamish225

1316 posts

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# 34706 28-May-2009 22:29

the new plans are bull. ill be staying on cdma and changing to vodafone or two degrees. depends on what one my friends are with because otherwise i wont be able to txt them!!

im paying 10 dollers a month for boost txt and use about 1000 txts a month. IF i ever feel the need to ring somone it costs me 0.49c a min and its dubble that now. and it appears you cant get 10 doller topups any more oh well doesent matter they dont have 10 doller txt now!

shame telecom after cdma shuts down im changing.

steveonz

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# 218998 28-May-2009 22:39

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=39&TopicId=34705

hamish225

1316 posts

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# 218999 28-May-2009 22:42

yeah but i txt alot and im not paying 18 dollers thnks i cat afford it!

Kickass

283 posts

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# 219000 28-May-2009 22:44

telecom has a problem with too many customers just paying ten dollars a month (using the ten dollar top up) and then just using the ten dollar text (boost or 500).

I guess they were not making any money this way, which is fair enough.

Good luck changing to another network, currently vodafone doesn't offer ten dollar top ups and doesn't offer 2000 text messages to telecom customers.

In the end telecom wins, most people wont change and just spend the little bit extra. Every month they will top up twenty dollars and prolly end up spending the remaining eight dollars left over from their twelve dollar text on random calls/data/txt, which means telecom get a extra 10 dollars per customer.

Let see if 2degrees fall into the same trap telecom did.........

hamish225

1316 posts

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# 219001 28-May-2009 22:46

all my friends and family will probibly end up changing any way so...

Loismustdye

606 posts

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# 219072 29-May-2009 02:20

The biggest kicker with these new plans is that the "mum and dad" customers, who only make phonecalls and send a few texts appear to loss a lot.
for instance, mums on the mytime 300 for $30 a month, of which she uses most of the minutes ringing family and friends over weekends and at nights. With XT, shes gotta stump up alot more cash each month to get anywhere near that amount of calling time. Yes she gets charged only per second for the minutes after the first, but it still costs her more each month as the bundled minutes are less. i.e. She rang me tonight and we spoke for roughly 18 mins, which if she signed to a comparable XT plan ($30 for 50 mins) shes used almost half her bundled minutes for this billing cycle.

Everybody is talking aboutt eh one rate for calls (ie no on-net off-net differentiation), which is fine for those that make alot of calls during the day, but for those that are a bit "old school" and call at night they need to spend more to get the same service as that on the CDMA network.

The whole call pricing seems a tad backwards to me and may cost telecom customers as they switch to other networks or cancel cell phones altogether.

The argument of "data being better for those that use it" is fine, but it seems to be at the expense of those that use a cellphone for what it was originally intended, phone calls.

At a guess alot of ppl don't use the data and probably still won't (personal experience and asking ppl I know what their thoughts are). Just because the data is better, doesn't necesarily mean ppl are going to be all over it and browse via their phones much more.

I really think Telecom dropped the ball with their new pricing structure (shades of the annoying vodafone you choose build your own plans) and may end up costing them when the "mums and dads" stay on CDMA for the better call plans.

paradoxsm

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# 219077 29-May-2009 03:26

they should have stuck with flexi, had spend levels where you get cheaper minutes the more you call and had off peak times built in to the main plan where you could call away very cheaply

I wonder if any of the old cdma plans or more so the association plans can be taken in?.

old3eyes

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# 219125 29-May-2009 08:27

Loismustdye:

I really think Telecom dropped the ball with their new pricing structure (shades of the annoying vodafone you choose build your own plans) and may end up costing them when the "mums and dads" stay on CDMA for the better call plans.

I think your most likely correct. The XT network seems aimed at the business user not the mom and pop user..

Regards,

Old3eyes

kiwitrc

4123 posts

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# 219132 29-May-2009 08:35

old3eyes:
Loismustdye:

I really think Telecom dropped the ball with their new pricing structure (shades of the annoying vodafone you choose build your own plans) and may end up costing them when the "mums and dads" stay on CDMA for the better call plans.

I think your most likely correct. The XT network seems aimed at the business user not the mom and pop user..

Thats where the money is I guess.

kinsten

240 posts

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# 219144 29-May-2009 08:53

old3eyes:
Loismustdye:

I really think Telecom dropped the ball with their new pricing structure (shades of the annoying vodafone you choose build your own plans) and may end up costing them when the "mums and dads" stay on CDMA for the better call plans.

I think your most likely correct. The XT network seems aimed at the business user not the mom and pop user..

So true, just worked something out (the reason I am now changing to Vodafone)

Vodafone:
$29.95 - TXT600 - Includes 30 mins anytime & 600 Texts to any network + 1 best mate
$14.95 - Your Time 100 - gives you an extra 100 minutes off peak to call any mobile network cell
$ 4.00 - 1 extra best mate
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$48.90 per month for 12 month plan

XT Telecom:
$29.95 - One Rate 50 - Includes 50 mins anytime, extra minutes only .59c (with cell discount)
$12.95 - Talk Extra (x2) - Get to call any Telecom mobile or Landline (within fair usage)
$12.95 - Text Extra (x2) - 600 txts to any mobile network
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$53.95 per month for 12 months (+ $40 discount from any mobile they are offering)

Overview:
Personally most of my friends are on Vodafone, my gf is on both (so she can text me more because im on telecome atm), so me moving to Vodafone means I get to call/txt/pxt as much as I want to my gf and my best mate as much as I want, when ever I want, all month.
Telecom you have to buy these as extras (even for 1) and you then have to buy the texting options ontop of the calling options.

Vodafone is cheaper, giving me less anytime minutes with the standard plan, but giving me an extra 100 off-peak minutes. Roughly 30 + 100 vs only 50

However, Telecom is making more realistic extra minutes rates, which NZ needs to make on all networks anyway, still far too expensive.

As for data, it looks as though XT will be better, but they need to offer more includes with their One Rate plans (imo)

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CamH

429 posts

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# 219147 29-May-2009 08:57

I thought Telcom's pricing plans would be slightly better then they are. And it looks like they've gotten rid of $10 topups on PrePaid!

I want to switch, but it's cheaper for me to stay on Vodafone and Telecom CDMA.

Plasmaglows

54 posts

Master Geek

# 219150 29-May-2009 09:07

Kickass:

telecom has a problem with too many customers just paying ten dollars a month (using the ten dollar top up) and then just using the ten dollar text (boost or 500).

I guess they were not making any money this way, which is fair enough.

Good luck changing to another network, currently vodafone doesn't offer ten dollar top ups and doesn't offer 2000 text messages to telecom customers.

In the end telecom wins, most people wont change and just spend the little bit extra. Every month they will top up twenty dollars and prolly end up spending the remaining eight dollars left over from their twelve dollar text on random calls/data/txt, which means telecom get a extra 10 dollars per customer.

Let see if 2degrees fall into the same trap telecom did.........

Ummm I think you get an extra $5 when you top up $20 so you actually end up with $25 so for instance I can get 600 texts per month for $12 and their 240-250?mb data useage thing for another $12. So that gives me my texts and my data useage for $20 (of my money) a month. Compared to 2000 VF texts and 100mb of data useage on vodafone. The XT plan is alot better for me.

I may be wrong about the top up thing but thats how I interprited it of the plan structure I saw.

The way vodafone changed IOU from $2 to $5.20 means people can no longer top up $20 and get txt 2000 and bestmate if they use their IOU. This was the contributing factor to the last of my friends ditching vodafone, so both companies change pricing around to get you to top up/spend that little bit more it's not just a Telecom thing