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Topic # 34831 30-May-2009 02:55
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When the only decent nokia handset is about $600 more without a subsidy, and even with a heavy usage plan the discount of $320 on a handset is still way more on the N85 then getting a 900Mhz one outright from parallelimported.

E71 is $200 more from telecom then most other places, Some of the less featured handsets are a bit more acceptably priced but this is still a fair way off vodafones free handset offer thats quite cheap to buy out of at 6 months into it and has the free 3 months access on it.

While the $18 for 240 megs is probably more suited for me then the vodafone $40 for 512 megs - but the $22 a month saving does nothing when the handset costs $600 more.

Sure, I get 3g everywhere, no fall back to 2g in buildings and no missed calls on vodafone, but I still feel that I am better served by running a CDMA phone for my voice since it has proven to be way more reliable for incoming calls then either of vodafones networks, and keeping a vodafone handset for 3g data use and just accepting that I cant use it in some buildings.

now, if vodafone would pull finger and make 900Mhz 3g urban so that they were not crippled with the 2100 of 2g fallback problems then IMO with pricing as it is, they would have the upper hand.

I can see why they didnt launch with the N97 like I had being told they were going to, they would probably have wanted over 2 grand for it, and thats hardly a good image.

So thanks for nothing telecom, nothings changing here - prepay for voice on you and prepay for data on vodafone for me will stay till 2degrees launch and then I will reconsider things.






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  Reply # 219658 30-May-2009 07:43
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Actually evdo and 850mhz 3G both offer superior coverage for your data usage. Voda 2100mhz in big cities is lame. Switching between 2g and 3g makes it useless. If you don't wanna lose signal or dropped call anymore, stay on telecom evdo rev a or 850mhz 3G. And you won't regret.

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  Reply # 219660 30-May-2009 07:50
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Just to tell you, I haven't lost signal a single time for 2 years on evdo in a rural town, and in Christchurch as well. The only place in where I lost signal was in lake tekapo, evdo dropped to CDMA, but I still made a voip call to my girlfriend. :-) I just tried my fathers nokia e71 on Voda, it couldn't get 900mhz signal at all in my house where there is supposed to be damn good coverage. My iPhone can't get through a day without losing 3G signal every 3 to 5 minutes, or everytime you try to use Internet. LOL

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 219661 30-May-2009 07:52
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Surely no-one seriously believed there would be significant pricing changes?

The big move is as per Steve Biddles' blog post but apart from what's contained in that, why would they offer anything massive?

Yes they've invested a great deal of time, effort and money (which they want to get back as fast as possible) in a bid to win back customers from Vodafone and improve roaming etc.  Yes, a number of Vodafone customers will move over, being disgruntled with the state of play with that company.

But on the whole, the market is relatively evenly split.  Now for a little New Zealand company to retain such a market share against a global giant is pretty good.  After all, Vodafone could actually flex some muscle and offer kiwis true value, but it won't.  The money's too good.

Telecom won't either for the same reason.  It's quite possible Vodafone will lose a number of high end business accounts, but for the vast majority of people, the expense of moving over (once they realise a simple SIM swap won't work) will outweigh any benefits.

Thus the status quo remains.  Telecom won't rock the boat and risk it sinking.  Vodafone will respect that position because they won't want to get bogged down in Commerce Commission complaints and force the government to regulate.

Expect both to lower prices when 2degrees launch in August if they have plans which actually do bring true value (from a customers perspective) to the market.  Don't hold your breath on that point though - we have four electricity suppliers and look what's happened there...

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  Reply # 219662 30-May-2009 08:05
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Reply # 219669 30-May-2009 08:55
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Since when Telecom is a "small", "NZ" company?

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  Reply # 219674 30-May-2009 09:16
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Not sure about the 'NZ' part but Telecom is definitely "small" compared to Vodafone.




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  Reply # 219675 30-May-2009 09:20
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Telecom is New Zealands Largest company isn't it?


At first I thought that these prices were over priced, but now having someone talk to me about them in the store it works out it will be cheaper for me between two phones (Vodafone and Telecom) to be on XT

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  Reply # 219676 30-May-2009 09:20
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harrylin: I agree with that. But this article is clearer.

http://m.nbr.co.nz/article/xt-pricing-revealed-two-degrees-boss-says-it-doesn-t-hold-a-candle-singapore-103048


Great article.. Except it's total rubbish.

Totally ignoring the land mass of Singapore vs NZ and population density of Singapore vs NZ.

Singapore has 100% cellphone coverage (except for the odd deadspot indoors) and has less cellsites than what Vodafone or Telecom do in NZ. There is no real requirement for them to spend money extending coverage because they have no need to.

Singapore also uses MPP rather than CPP for billing. The business models are totally different and there aren't really any direct comparisions at all..




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  Reply # 219677 30-May-2009 09:25
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It is NZ's biggest listed company. Definitely not a NZ company though.

I loled at some of those comments, after the article. Awesome! hahaha...

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  Reply # 219698 30-May-2009 10:07
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Telecom is a biggest listed company in new Zealand. Much bigger than Voda nz. Voda Australia is also small. Telstra rules Aussie. Voda is biggest company in the world, it doesn't mean it's always the best that offer the best service. They can use 100 cellcite to cover the whole Singapore island with 2100mhz and use fibre for backhaul, but we need probably 500 900mhz cellsite to cover rural NZ and another 500 2100mhz to cover city areas. Lol. Much more investment resulted in much higher price for consumers. So don't expect 2degree will be our saviour. Maybe 2degree will offer a data plan that is 5 dollar cheaper than telecom. LOL

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  Reply # 219705 30-May-2009 10:24
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Yeah, I don't see 2Degrees being able to provide cheaper plans per se. Better structured plans, maybe. They will not be able to engage in price war simply because they will get destroyed by both Voda and Telecom.

The only way I see the cell/mobile broadband rates getting cheaper is for the Commerce Commission to step in and regulate prices further right across the industry.

If plans remain on the similar price level for all three providers (which is highly possible by the look of things), it will come down to the handset pricing/choice, service and for some people loyalty to the NZ owned company (2Degree).

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  Reply # 219717 30-May-2009 10:36
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Dratsab:
Expect both to lower prices when 2degrees launch in August if they have plans which actually do bring true value (from a customers perspective) to the market.  Don't hold your breath on that point though - we have four electricity suppliers and look what's happened there...


Well, the NBR article quoted by Harrylin explicitly says not to expect 2 degrees to ride to the rescue because "they have to work with the market they're in" (from the 2 degrees boss himself).  I bet the electricity companies said the same thing.  And the fuel companies.




I finally have fibre!  Had to leave the country to get it though.


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  Reply # 219731 30-May-2009 10:54
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So don't expect any miracles to happen soon. Just carry on with our normal life and stay with whoever you are with(Either telecom or Vodafone) nothing will change in the near future. Maybe after 5 or 10 years we will see unlimited data and voice plans LOL

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  Reply # 219744 30-May-2009 11:31
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sorry, I know this is OT, but does it bug anyone else when URL's in posts are not linked properly. I hate having to copy and paste links......maybe I'm being too pedantic




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  Reply # 219817 30-May-2009 14:30
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Doesnt bug me - install Linkification and they are clickable.

Anyway, I can put up with flakey indoor 3g if I am not receiving calls on it and I just cant justify telecoms handset prices to move over. Perhaps the guys at PI and coolmobiles, etown etc will pick up the slack like they have done for years with vodafones crazy prices.




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