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#37884 21-Jul-2009 09:55

Calling fron xt on cellphone to landline our voip on xt network using 2talk. Can I save alot using voip

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#237404 21-Jul-2009 11:20

They might have a clause in their contracts saying that you're not allowed to use VoIP over their data network. I know Vodafone state you're not allowed to do that.

Its pretty cheeky, and I'm not sure how much legal weight it could carry, but would be something to check.

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#237546 21-Jul-2009 15:32

Adamal: They might have a clause in their contracts saying that you're not allowed to use VoIP over their data network. I know Vodafone state you're not allowed to do that.

Its pretty cheeky, and I'm not sure how much legal weight it could carry, but would be something to check.

Yes, Vodafone say that you aren't allowed to, but Telecom just say thay it is "Not officially supported" and won't offer any guanantees on the quality of the service if you are using VoIP over their network. But you are "allowed to" compared to "Not being allowed to" on Vodafone.

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#237553 21-Jul-2009 15:44

Actually, go back and read the Terms and Conditions in those booklets you receive with your new XT SIM: there you will find Telecom explicitly saying you are not allowed to use VoIP services over their network.

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#237705 21-Jul-2009 22:46

freitasm: Actually, go back and read the Terms and Conditions in those booklets you receive with your new XT SIM: there you will find Telecom explicitly saying you are not allowed to use VoIP services over their network.

So you using VoIP would get you disconnected? Would you pay an early disconnection fee? How would they stop someone using VoIP over a VPN connection?
I'm very curious, and before someone asks, I'm a Vodafone customer so I'm not going to try

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#237769 22-Jul-2009 09:18

My XT phone came with a link to download Gizmo voip with a huge 25c (Wow!) of free credit.

Nokia E75 -> Menu -> Ctrl Panel -> Net Settings -> Download

Then you have 2 options, Gizmo and Vyke Mobile. I downloaded Gizmo.

I've made one call using it (to my own landlone, to test it) and it seems to work ok, although I didn't check voice quality etc, just hung up as soon as it answered. The only thing I would use it for would be international calling as my plan has more than enough included national minutes for me anyway.

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#237790 22-Jul-2009 10:32

nate:
freitasm: Actually, go back and read the Terms and Conditions in those booklets you receive with your new XT SIM: there you will find Telecom explicitly saying you are not allowed to use VoIP services over their network.

So you using VoIP would get you disconnected? Would you pay an early disconnection fee? How would they stop someone using VoIP over a VPN connection?
I'm very curious, and before someone asks, I'm a Vodafone customer so I'm not going to try

I have no idea, but the T&Cs are clear:. Open the purple booklet, page 10 says:

"4.6 You agree to:... (l) do not use your Mobile Phone or the Services for voice over internet protocol or messaging over internet protocol;..."

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#237948 22-Jul-2009 16:17

What constitutes messaging? Seems like everyone with an iphone could be breaking that term.

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#237960 22-Jul-2009 16:33

I don't know exactly but I contacted Telecom today asking for clarification... I will post here later when I get more information.

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#237970 22-Jul-2009 16:51

I think this is basically an empty threat.

Smart phone users logging onto MSN = breaking T/C

Skype WinMo/Iphone - breaking T/C

etc...

Back in the ICQ days, you could use ICQ to send text messages for free to mobiles. I'm not sure if this type of service is still available for free or at a cheap rate (cheaper than Telecom/Vodafone offer).

If they disconnect you they get $0 revenue from you, so I'm more inclined to think they will turn a blind eye to it and continue to collect your $ while praying it doesn't become common practice enough to truly hurt their revenue source. Then they might actually take proactive steps to stop it, then things would get interesting.

Microsoft has banned VoIP products from their market place. Apparently iPhone Skype was banned from AT&T but people found their way around it anyways. So pretty much just a dam waiting to burst.

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#237981 22-Jul-2009 17:17

Right up there with Jay Walking I imagine...

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#238259 23-Jul-2009 14:13

freitasm: I have no idea, but the T&Cs are clear:. Open the purple booklet, page 10 says:

"4.6 You agree to:... (l) do not use your Mobile Phone or the Services for voice over internet protocol or messaging over internet protocol;..."

Here's the official word from Telecom New Zealand:

"We are not actively enforcing this clause at the moment, we’re reserving the right to make changes or take action in the future if we see a considerable shift in behaviour. "

I'd say that, like everthing else, if there's a sharp increase in this kind of usage they will see what's the impact in their business model (i.e. selling mobile voice calls) and act accordingly.

Seeing that I don't think VoIP over mobile networks is going to be something the mainstream consumer uses, this shouldn't be a problem for some time.