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Topic # 5293 17-Oct-2005 00:35
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Something which has had me wondering for some time now is why doesn't Telecom just migrate people off landlines and onto 027!! (or similar wireless, see below)

CDMA has the network capacity, is cheap to implement and supports data as good as dial-up over a wide range (and even much quicker though that might flood the network)

Handsets are cheap to give away even (from $99) and provides one phone, one solution! and would alow significant cost savings for Telecom especially in rural areas

They could tear up all the copper wires and sell the metal, tear out all that enreliable physical NEAX's and data equipment sitting in exchange buildings and issue everyone with 027 phones and be done! it would not cost them any more and most proably less as CDMA is cheap to maintain and hardly goes wrong due to the no physical wires. The only thing Telecom would need to do is have landline equiv termination rates to mobiles.

The only stopper for CDMA is large scale broadband but even that's easily done with wireless (again bypassing wires) or possibly overengineering the CDMA network.

Then I see the future in 5-7 years time as a handset just working like my woosh phone unit, only just like a mobile of today. Gives data access + a very good VoIP over one wireless network, no circuit switching involved :-)

I have even heard we are guinea pigs (Woosh is first with this technology) for something rather big to come.

Comments and thoughts please!

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  Reply # 21596 17-Oct-2005 00:58
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The only problems with this i can see are:
a) coverage. Im sure there would be huge expense in making sure the entire country has access to the network
b) Telecom from what i understand are not able to do away with the fixed line system, due to certain rules/laws stating they have to provide everyone with phone access. Im sure thats close to it anyway

But other than that i think its a great idea and would probably make development and rollout of new services happen faster

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  Reply # 21609 17-Oct-2005 10:39
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I know of a few people who are starting to go that way. They just have a mobile and that's it. No landline.

Apart from the internet connection which is cheaper to have on fixed line, cable or dsl, I don't do that many phonecalls at home. Of course, if the internet is dsl you 'need' a voice number aswell. It's pretty well impossible to get your line connected for dsl unless it's got an active voice number on it... which means you're locked in for another $25/30 a month.

I've also heard a few people overseas, canada etc are just getting cable and mobile handsets. No fix line voice.

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Reply # 21624 17-Oct-2005 14:45
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Which moves onto another pet hate of mine, Why do you have to have a voice landline at $40 a month just to have DSL.

You used to be able to go onto a plan where you paid $25 a month and paid 20c per local call but Telecom axed this as too many people were connecting Jetstream lines with it and they'd rather rip people out of the $40. This is why I have woosh.

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  Reply # 21630 17-Oct-2005 15:17
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Yeah. I've had that gripe aswell. Also a number of people on the NZADSL mailing list bring it up from time to time.

That saide, Telecom really does seem to have cut back on the information on the website.. They also used to have a plan which people on the benefit (not sure which one) could get which was essentially a no frills plan. Couldn't have any extra's enabled on it, including no dsl etc, but it seems to have disappeared off their website aswell.




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Reply # 21635 17-Oct-2005 19:58
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You can add my name to the list of people who are irritated by the need to pay for copper phone line rental in order to get DSL. My mobile phone is my only phone and I spend less than $25 per month on it (excluding data usage), so I have absolutely no desire to have a landline.

I'm fortunate in that I am currently sharing a TelstraClear cable Internet connection with flatmates so it works out pretty cheap when the bill is split between us but, when I move into my new flat in the next few weeks, I'll be aiming to find a place with Woosh coverage. Still, I don't think I'll bother getting the Woosh phone service even though it is a lot cheaper than a Telecom/TelstraClear landline.

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  Reply # 21636 17-Oct-2005 20:31
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I dont mind having to pay extra for the copper line. I Just dont like paying for poor quality service

My gripe is that i keep loosing my DSL connection, Telecom have looked at the lines and Belkin even replaced my router, but still i get disconnected up 10 times a day and it has to be manually reconnected, annoying if your downloading large files. I pay $79 a month for rubbish service. Unfortunatly there no other choice for broadband here



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  Reply # 21637 17-Oct-2005 21:39
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There are 4 reasons why the $25 a month plan is gone.. (Homeline Economy)

1 Rural Customers are Telecoms sting in the rear, with the tiny local calling areas they have they were all signing up in droves meaning telecom got even less out of them!
2 DSL customers were using it as a cheap way into a Data line only.
3 It was lovely and cheap and suited more NZers than the normal "homelines" do.
4 The NZherald published an article on what a great deal it was, Telecom axed the plan the next morning.

The other plans mentioned are

"budgetlink" which is $20 a month, Full toll bar, free local calls. Criteria is you have to be seeing a budget advisor and be registered for I think 8 weeks.

Over 60's, this sucky suck plan charges local calls at about 11c a minutes with a $20 a month charge (estimate),

Yes, the telecom site is getting considerably smaller, slower and with much less info and using increasingly stupid methods of navigation, I have been spidering it for some time.

all the main page links are now (which is BLOCKED on my PC preventing navigation))
"http://ads.xtra.co.nz/event.ng/Type=whatever cr4p here.html".

And all internal links are set like
javascript:noPopup('http://www.telecom.co.nz/content/0,3900,204905-1029,00.html?tile=hps')

javasript:noPopup!!!!!! ha ha ha ha.... of course http://www.telecom.co.nz/content/0,3900,204905-1029,00.html?tile=hps as the link would work just as well and not prevent opening pages in new windows!!!!!

Idiots!



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  Reply # 21638 17-Oct-2005 22:09
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For some FUN and good info here are some links....

Trip down memory lane.. This is what Telecom looked like in 1999 and it's still there.

http://www.telecom.co.nz/ispdialup/public/public.htm

Telecoms charging price master lists which will tell you about everything telecom offers and has offered in the pst.

http://www.telecom.co.nz/content/0,3900,200654-1553,00.html

Regulatory matters... An interesting read

http://www.telecom.co.nz/content/0,3900,200653-1548,00.html

025 (god forbid) Coverage maps (still there)

http://www.telecom.co.nz/content/0,3900,100683-201105,00.html

And somwhere on the site lies piles of rather interesting presentations done by past ans present directors!


EG: from mobile in 2001

Data
• Introduced SMS content services (currently 29 services)
• Launched packet WAP trial (yes,,,, on 025)
• Launched email to the phone (oooooh!
• Launched voice portal services (Wordup)
• Introduced MO-SMS phones (Scary,,, TXT messaging)



recently (MAR 05),,, lots of good stuff inc stuff regarding NextGen

Increased spend in NZ; NGN all-IP network 07, support systems and applications

good stuff! ;-)

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  Reply # 21684 18-Oct-2005 19:47
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I think home gateways will be the way of the future. Vodafone Germany had a UMTS unit they were talking about when I was over there last month that is installed in your house to the existing phone wiring and gives you WiFi/Network router. The idea was to completely replace your phoneline.

IPWireless also do a very nice unit, I wonder when Woosh will start selling these?

http://www.ipwireless.com/pdfs/prod_mobile_broadband_gateway.pdf

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Reply # 21685 18-Oct-2005 19:56
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The CDMA EV-DO/Wi-Fi Router we saw during the Geekzone Party Wellington is one example - and it's available here now. I also remember TNZ talking about fixed line/mobile integration during the Convergence Wellington 2005..






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  Reply # 21702 19-Oct-2005 08:32
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Vodafone also have their 3G WiFi router in the country as well.

I think Telecom's whole concept of convergence will never develop until they have their NG network in place. If you look at what BT are doing integrating the cellphone and the landline using Bluetooth it's a solution for a company that is suffering due to it's stupid decision to sell off it's mobile network. People don't actually want a home phone and a landline, the proof is in places like the UK where large numbers of people no longer have one simply because the cost of using a mobile phone is so cheap. The only reason people here still have both is because the cost of using a mobile is still expensive as your only phone, if Vodafone were to get serious and start offering something like motormouth but include calls to landlines or offer 200/300 included minute plans for a reasonable price I believe they would see significant increases in ARPU as people realise they can afford to use their mobile as their primary phone. The only issue is that while Telecom won't let you get ADSL withbout a landline people can't dump their PSTN connection..:-(

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  Reply # 21735 19-Oct-2005 15:44
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How do you know CDMA can handle it? They would have to shell out alot of $$ upgrdaing the network to support that. Other wise the network would just get overloaded and you will get pissed that you can make a phone call when you want to.

It's like on new years when you try to make a phone call on your cell round 12pm.

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  Reply # 21736 19-Oct-2005 15:58
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Making a call at 12pm on New Years eve is a completey different issue. The problem there is not that the network or backbone can't handle it but the fact that exceptionally large numbers of drunk people all together in one place manage to overload individual sites. The PSTN network only has a finite number of connections it can handle as well and you can suffer from overloading during busy periods such as xmas day.

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  Reply # 21738 19-Oct-2005 16:10
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yea but still, thats a hell of a increase in phone calls if you were to switch everyone onto the cdma network. Which would require a hefty upgrade. The issue probably wouldn't be so bad in your local neighbourhood but imagine the amount of phone calls that are made in the CBD's.

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  Reply # 21793 20-Oct-2005 12:22
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Also, where would i plug my fax and computer into? And what about farm folk in areas where there are no cell reception? And sky tv connections and dail up connections and monitored burgular alarms? What happens if a cell site goes down? And the big one, How much is the individual going to shell out to make this work?

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