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Topic # 5549 7-Nov-2005 11:15
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Does anybody have an idea of when this will be available? and if Telecom plan to provide the upadte for the apache?

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Reply # 22742 7-Nov-2005 11:21
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Microsoft has not announced the release date for the MSFP, yet.

According to some information I have, yes, Telecom New Zealand seems to be working on having this available as an update for the Apache as soon as possible, after testing, etc, etc. Expect it early 2006 (I think more like end of Q1 would be safer).

Also, have in mind MSFP push-email features work only over cellular connections (including Windows Mobile Smartphone and Windows Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition connecting over GPRS, UMTS or CDMA), and is of no use for non-connected or Wi-Fi only Pocket PC.





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  Reply # 22744 7-Nov-2005 11:38
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Yeah will all depend on when MS get MSFP to HTC. No word at this stage but later Q1 2006 would be a good estimate.

 
 
 
 




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Reply # 22745 7-Nov-2005 11:45
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So is push email limited to having the feature pack or will it work with just exchange SP2?

Do any new SP2 features work without the pack I suppose would be a better question :-)

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Reply # 22746 7-Nov-2005 11:54
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The mobile features on Service Pack 2 require MSFP to be installed on the mobile device. This include the new push e-mail feature (the http based, read my comment about AUTD) and the remote security management features.

The current AUTD OTA Exchange ActiveSync is not impacted though. I am running Exchange Service Pack 2 and I have my Windows Mobile device synchronising over the air with my server, when new messages arrive.





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  Reply # 22761 7-Nov-2005 15:54
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freitasm: Also, have in mind MSFP push-email features work only over cellular connections (including Windows Mobile Smartphone and Windows Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition connecting over GPRS, UMTS or CDMA), and is of no use for non-connected or Wi-Fi only Pocket PC.


Why would it not work if a user of the Apache for instance happened to be on WiFi instead of cellular? I though it was handled at 'http:' layer?

Also, has anyone seen offer for Apache in today's paper with a voice + E-mail data plan? The e-mail data plan is only 20MB for $69 - and refers to a Broadband 20 plan but this doesn't seem to exist?


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Reply # 22762 7-Nov-2005 16:00
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timmyh:
freitasm: Also, have in mind MSFP push-email features work only over cellular connections (including Windows Mobile Smartphone and Windows Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition connecting over GPRS, UMTS or CDMA), and is of no use for non-connected or Wi-Fi only Pocket PC.


Why would it not work if a user of the Apache for instance happened to be on WiFi instead of cellular? I though it was handled at 'http:' layer?
Yes, it's "http", but a Wi-Fi connection is not as stable as a cellular connection in terms of coverage. I guess Microsoft came to the conclusion that this could cause lots of unpredictable results.

The Apache will synchronise to the Exchange Server when connected through a Wi-Fi access point, it just won't have the push email feature active, unless it is connected via cellular data.

Believe me, I complained about this during the Microsoft MVP Summit...





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  Reply # 22764 7-Nov-2005 16:12
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timmyh:
freitasm: Also, have in mind MSFP push-email features work only over cellular connections (including Windows Mobile Smartphone and Windows Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition connecting over GPRS, UMTS or CDMA), and is of no use for non-connected or Wi-Fi only Pocket PC.


Why would it not work if a user of the Apache for instance happened to be on WiFi instead of cellular? I though it was handled at 'http:' layer?

Also, has anyone seen offer for Apache in today's paper with a voice + E-mail data plan? The e-mail data plan is only 20MB for $69 - and refers to a Broadband 20 plan but this doesn't seem to exist?



MBB20 is a special that is only available for Apache or Treo, and only if you take the $69 option.




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freitasm: The Apache will synchronise to the Exchange Server when connected through a Wi-Fi access point, it just won't have the push email feature active, unless it is connected via cellular data.

Believe me, I complained about this during the Microsoft MVP Summit...


How does the Exchange server even know what the underlying network is, surely either way is just an IP connection?

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Reply # 22769 7-Nov-2005 16:26
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timmyh: How does the Exchange server even know what the underlying network is, surely either way is just an IP connection?
The connection is initiated from the device's side, not from the Exchange (read more).

There' no push here, but open path. The device open a https connection with a long timeout. If something is available the Exchange Server will reply on that path. Otherwise the device opens the connection again when the timeout expires.

The device knows what underlying connection method is being used.

This is different from the AUTD method, where the Exchange sends a SMS to the device, and this will in turn initiate an ActiveSync OTA.





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  Reply # 22771 7-Nov-2005 16:31
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Thanks, that explains it.

Problem wit AUTD method is simply that it is not easily supported by Telco's and not very user friendly to set-up. Does Exchange 2003 SP2 still support AUTD?

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Reply # 22773 7-Nov-2005 16:36
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Yes, it keeps support for AUTD, including for Windows Mobile 5 devices when MSFP is not available/needed/required.





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  Reply # 22798 7-Nov-2005 22:03
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antoniosk: MBB20 is a special that is only available for Apache or Treo, and only if you take the $69 option.

In reality this plan is nothing but you paying off your device over time given the difference in price between it and Broadband 50/100. Still seems odd to me that Telecom would push a 20MB plan with their new EV-DO device, and with the expensive $1/MB excess charge - will be easy to blow this out.

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