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Topic # 57072 2-Feb-2010 15:39
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Rumour has it that this is the second such system bought by Telecom.

The first failed miserably and was never released on the New Zealnd public.

The second (XT) was a "known" failure when sold to Telecom by the USA. In fact, the USA dropped it like a hot potato from their network.





 

 

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  Reply # 295421 2-Feb-2010 15:42
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I think you have to be more specific. For example "the USA dropped it" is very vague, as in countries don't buy systems - there are many operators in the USA - TMobile, AT&T, Verizon Wireless just to start the list.

It actually sounds like bull crap.




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  Reply # 295424 2-Feb-2010 15:53
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Sounds like crap to me

 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 295429 2-Feb-2010 15:59
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Sorry guys.

They are 2 completely different unrelated rumours.

Both came from reliable inside sources.

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  Reply # 295441 2-Feb-2010 16:16
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yeah, you are going to need to be much more specific with what you mean by system.

Any large techy type business will be running dozens, if not hundreds, of different systems that do different things.

also what do you mean by "sold by the USA". AFAIK the USA governemnt is not in the business of selling 'systems' related to telecommunications. The USA does not own any network that I know of either.


In my experience the more non-specific and vague a rumour is, the more likley it is to be a bunch of crap. Unless he can shed some more light, the OP seems to be a prime example of a BS made up story.

IMO either the OP made it up himself or,  as is the case with these types of things,  someone who works at Telecom told a friend something along those lines, but with a different meaning,  and he totally misinterpreted it, the friend then passed along his misunderstanding to the OP who then repeated his understanding here.  like Chinese Whispers.


Maybe someone told him that the US networks decided against using the 850Mhz frequency, opting for 900 instead,  and that is what he is referring to.    It doesn't make a lot of sense,  but it's about the most plausible thing I can think of that vaguely fits with the rambling in the OP.


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  Reply # 295442 2-Feb-2010 16:16
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You only post one rumor in the OP, perhaps try to be a bit clearer? Still has the stink of BS to me tho.




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  Reply # 295443 2-Feb-2010 16:16
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What system are you talking about?, Telecom purchased a GSM Network that never went to air, they dropped it because it was an old technology, not because it was crap. the decision to go with GSM was made about 3 years ago, well before any WCDMA850 networks were in service. GSM is excellent for voice and low speed data, it well developed and very reliable.

The WCDMA 850 System, may or may not have issues. telecom haven't said what hardware was faulty, and it could be a transmission back haul issue, rather than anything to do with XT or XT hardware.

The similar WCDMA 850 network in Telstra had teething problem to begin with, but now is a very good and robust network. If you knew the actual architecture of a WCDMA network, it's made up of hundred of Network elements, any 1 failure of 1 of those elements could cause massive network outages.

Please be more descriptive with your rumors.





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  Reply # 295446 2-Feb-2010 16:21
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Correct... If the "first system that failed miserably" is a reference to the never deployed GSM - we have news for you: it's the same system Vodafone runs on their 2G network.

Telecom decided to go WCDMA 850MHz because GSM is an old technology now and no point in investing in that anymore.

AS for WCDMA 850MHZ... Well, it's deployed in Australia with Telsta Next G, and in the US with AT&T. Vodafone also uses WCDMA in 900 MHz and 2100 MHz flavours though.

But as I said before, this rumour sounds like some misinformed person told you some stories taken completely out of context.




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  Reply # 295503 2-Feb-2010 19:19
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hmm freitasm..

They did actually purchase it, but decided against the roll out, as it was already obsolete yes? Not quite a decision against investment in the technology, just more of a monumental f/up.

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  Reply # 295510 2-Feb-2010 19:41
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2 degrees seem to think that there is a point investing in GSM, there probably was when they first started talking about building a network way back before there was UMTS.... At least telecom saw sense to abandon building a network that they would just have to turn off one day when it was so obsolete there was no point maintaining it as they had to do for analog+damps, and will do soon for cdma.




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  Reply # 295524 2-Feb-2010 20:10
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Sounds like the person who told you this has a hatred for Telecom, not any inside information.

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  Reply # 295529 2-Feb-2010 20:38
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The abandonment of the proposed Telecom's GSM network made common sense. It never became a fully functioning network to "fail" anyone.




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  Reply # 295569 2-Feb-2010 22:07
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That, and companies like Alcatel-Lucent don't sell "known failures". They have a reputation to uphold, and you don't inspire confidence from behemoth telecommunications companies for multi-billion dollar contracts by selling "known crap".

Your story is bollocks. All there is to it.




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  Reply # 295586 2-Feb-2010 23:11
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Don't ever take betting tips from these inside sources you have, they couldn't be wronger. Hmm, no red underline on wronger, I didn't think it was really a word




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  Reply # 295768 3-Feb-2010 16:35
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2 Degrees were smart to keep GSM, I don't know the exact numbers but there are a lot more international roamers with GSM/WCDMA handsets than WCDMA850 handsets. Telcom has missed out on about 3-5 years of GSM roaming revenue, and I also expect the majority of people just want to use Voice and txt only and have no need for high speed internet. GSM is perfect for this. Handsets are dirt cheap and simple to use.

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