Just realised I hadnt posted the latest chat log, so here goes...

We gave away a couple of DLINK WiFi Cards, and a Bluetake BT LAN Access Point, and a Vaja PDA Case.

Thats over $400 in prizes.

Our next official chat is Tuesday 4th July NZST, click here or point any IRC client at irc.dal.net #geekzone to join chat, but here are people in the channel 24/7, and informal chats most mornings, afternoons, and evenings.

[20:01] <tonyhughes> Hey guys, welcome to the official Geekzone chat. Advance apologies from MF, he is off watering his roses or something (I wasnt paying attention when he told me where he was going.
[20:01] <tonyhughes> Coke told me Sydney
[20:02] <tonyhughes> Tonight we are giving away 2 prizes, one DLINK DWL G630 PCMCIA WiFi laptop card, and a PDA case for Treo OR Apache (winner chooses one). http://www.vajacases.com/images/smartphones/palm/Treo_650/treo_650.html )
[20:02] <tonyhughes> Lets kick off with a discussion about Telecom voluntarily splitting its wholesale and retail divisions, as per this press release: http://www.telecom-media.co.nz/releases_detail.asp?id=3325
[20:02] <tonyhughes> or you can read Juhas excellent blog entry here -
[20:02] <tonyhughes> http://www.geekzone.co.nz/blog.asp?blogid=22&postid=745
[20:02] <tonyhughes> Happy chatting.
[20:02] <tonyhughes> !unmoderate
[20:02] <geekbot> Channel is now unmoderated, all users may speak regardless of +v status.
[20:02] * geekbot sets mode: -m
[20:02] <NokiaRocks> lets start off with prizes :D
[20:02] <tonyhughes> lol
[20:02] <tonyhughes> no
[20:02] <ljbade> good timing
[20:02] <Jp9> sounds like telecom vs xtra. ie: very little change
[20:02] <NokiaRocks> awww :(
[20:02] <tonyhughes> prizes later
[20:02] <Cokemaster> Hmm
[20:02] <NokiaRocks> nows later...
[20:02] <tonyhughes> lots of change JP9
[20:03] <ljbade> hmm news to me
[20:03] <tonyhughes> at the moment account managers and sales staff can direct back office staff to do things
[20:03] <NokiaRocks> so that means xtra will have to buy its bandwidth of telecom?
[20:03] <tonyhughes> that will of course not be an easy thing to continue doing
[20:03] <Cokemaster> Correct
[20:03] <tonyhughes> yes it
[20:03] * alasta (~geekzone@203-211-78-197.ue.woosh.co.nz) has joined #geekzone
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[20:03] <NokiaRocks> so they cant price fix it anymore
[20:03] <alasta> Hello.
[20:03] <chiefie> I think it is good to have wholesaler and retailers in this respect
[20:03] <NokiaRocks> or will xtra get "privaledges"?
[20:03] * tonyhughes sets mode: -v alasta
[20:03] <ljbade> its about time, i think it will help stabalise their shareprice
[20:04] <Cokemaster> Telecom will wholesale to everyone including their own retail branch
[20:04] <GZNeoTech> hi Alasta
[20:04] <chiefie> gives all telecommunication providers fair ground to start and fair business operation.
[20:04] <tonyhughes> they have said it will be even footing for all wholesale clients
[20:04] <tonyhughes> this is REALLY good news for NZ
[20:04] <ljbade> as investors have been uncertain about their investmnets future (aye coke ;-)
[20:04] * JAMMAN2110 is now known as callingTCLtocomplainALREADY
[20:04] <Cokemaster> Hopefully they'll stick to their word
[20:04] <NokiaRocks> i'm still a bit sceptical
[20:04] <Cokemaster> Yes, my telecom shares have been going down and down
[20:04] <Cokemaster> Same
[20:04] <NokiaRocks> what happened to the "telecom is only out to make money" theory?
[20:05] <Cokemaster> Whats the saying from starwars "Its a trap!"
[20:05] <chiefie> i too. (what's with BT's case?)
[20:05] <NokiaRocks> i dont think that would have changed at all
[20:05] <psychrn> why you buy them in this market??
[20:05] <tonyhughes> TNZWS (TNZ Wholesale) will have to supply the same products to the every customer, with no special attn for Xtra
[20:05] <bradstewart> that sucks for xtra
[20:05] <tonyhughes> Not really
[20:05] <ljbade> well maybe it will stop that Telecon lady from losing a job.... ppl dont really like her atm
[20:05] <Cokemaster> I think, for them its better to do it on their own terms than have the government step in and dictate what the terms are
[20:05] <tonyhughes> Xtra cannow post its own profits
[20:05] <NokiaRocks> but telecom can say one thing and do another... they've been known to do that
[20:05] <tonyhughes> and become successful in its own right
[20:06] <chiefie> i think that's great. Xtra shouldn't be treated special. since TNZ said Xtra isn't part of TNZ...
[20:06] <chiefie> remember?
[20:06] <tonyhughes> if i was working at xtra i would feel about this i think
[20:06] <tonyhughes> feel good* about this
[20:06] <callingTCLtocomplainALREADY> technician is calling me shortly
[20:06] <Cokemaster> Indeed
[20:06] <GZNeoTech> Hey Shortly!
[20:07] <NokiaRocks> next shareholders meeting is going to be very busy :p
[20:07] <chiefie> LOL @ GZNeoTech
[20:07] <tonyhughes> certainly will be
[20:07] <NokiaRocks> which makes a point... will xtra be publicly listed?
[20:07] <chiefie> sounds like TNZ has beeeeeeen very busy with getting this rolling.
[20:07] <Cokemaster> Wonder what way the shares will go... up or down
[20:07] <bradstewart> well i have to go. hopefully back soon!!!!!!!!
[20:07] <chiefie> bradstewart later
[20:07] <tonyhughes> Xtra can now concentrate on performing well, and getting the kudos for doing so, rather than performing well, and the kudos going to Telecom in general
[20:07] <chiefie> bradstewart expecing 5456 in my letterbox
[20:07] <NokiaRocks> or could xtra just shove all its profits back into TNZ
[20:07] * bradstewart (~bradley@222-153-249-142.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) Quit (Quit: Off to a better vista experience)
[20:08] <tonyhughes> Telecom can still own Xtra I assume....
[20:08] <tonyhughes> and reap the profits
[20:08] <Cokemaster> Yes
[20:08] * Randomguy (~geekzone@202-74-203-1.ue.woosh.co.nz) has joined #geekzone
[20:08] <NokiaRocks> so its no real benifit to anyone
[20:08] <Cokemaster> And... we've had the teletrolls defending the faith quite a lot on the forum lately - so they'll still be around.
[20:08] <Cokemaster> It is
[20:08] <chiefie> would be great to see Xtra really actually De-branched from TNZ and operate as a real ISP like
[20:08] <chiefie> everyone else
[20:08] <NokiaRocks> its just like owning a restaurant and a bar, but the money all goes to the same people
[20:08] <tonyhughes> I have not read the releases, I was at work, and first thing i did was come straight here to attend to the all-important GZ chat session :_)
[20:08] <chiefie> though it can form JV with TNZ for TNZ Mobile service.
[20:09] <Cokemaster> NokiaRocks: it means that everyone gets the same pricing... even their former retail self
[20:09] <chiefie> the news releases do not mention anything about mobile unit of xtra.
[20:09] <tonyhughes> Mobile could be afftected quite a bit
[20:09] <tonyhughes> is mobile covered by this?
[20:09] <Cokemaster> Hmm
[20:09] <NokiaRocks> but they could still set the pricing high
[20:09] <chiefie> not mentioned.
[20:09] <Cokemaster> Interesting question
[20:09] * callingTCLtocomplainALREADY is now known as JAMMAN_waitingtogetcalled
[20:10] <Cokemaster> I doubt it will affect mobile
[20:10] <chiefie> NokiaRocks: good analogy with bar/restaurant/same owner
[20:10] <NokiaRocks> all its doing is washing telecoms hands of any blame, while still ripping off the country
[20:10] <Cokemaster> Yes
[20:10] <Cokemaster> Which is maybe why they are doing it
[20:10] <NokiaRocks> i dont think we'll see any improvement from this at all, and i think telecom know that
[20:11] <Cokemaster> So they can avoid government regulation
[20:11] <NokiaRocks> so its more of a benifit to telecom than to any isp's
[20:11] <Cokemaster> Yes
[20:11] <tonyhughes> If they do it badly, and there is no improvement, they will have done themselves a huge dis-service and they will recieve a public flogging from the government and have their prices set even lower
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[20:11] <Cokemaster> Yep
[20:11] <tonyhughes> which will be easy to do once TNZ has structurally seperated
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[20:11] <johnr> hi all
[20:12] <NokiaRocks> but they already have recieved a public flogging, and we wont see any improvement for years to come
[20:12] <GZNeoTech> evening John
[20:12] <chiefie> well preemptive solution is always better as you are then not heavily regulated by outside
[20:12] <chiefie> forces.
[20:12] <tonyhughes> whereas  if they set the prices right now
[20:12] <NokiaRocks> its just another delay tactic
[20:12] <tonyhughes> then that is not an option
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[20:12] <tonyhughes> how is it a delay tactic?
[20:12] <tonyhughes> they are doing it before its done for them
[20:12] <Cokemaster> To avoid government regulation?
[20:12] <johnr> YAWN
[20:12] <Cokemaster> lol
[20:12] <tonyhughes> its a tactic to do it their way, rather than
[20:12] <NokiaRocks> its taking the blame off telecom (which has all the money) and placing it on xtra...
[20:12] <tonyhughes> the govts way
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[20:13] <NokiaRocks> i think its just empty improvements
[20:13] <Cokemaster> How would it be placing the blame on xtra?
[20:13] * tonyhughes sets mode: +nt-mislp
[20:13] * tonyhughes changes topic to 'talking about the structural speration of Telecom New Zealand announced today'
[20:13] <Cokemaster> Xtra would be buying the bandwidth from the same place
[20:13] <tonyhughes> empty improvemtns?
[20:13] <chiefie> how's BT did with their separation?
[20:13] <NokiaRocks> but providing bad service
[20:13] <tonyhughes> how are improvements empty?
[20:13] <tonyhughes> improvements are improvements
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[20:13] <NokiaRocks> need i remind you of the 3.5mb improvement?
[20:13] <chiefie> i think it gives all business fair ground to compete.
[20:14] <tonyhughes> if they are actually going to provide the SAME services to all ISPs
[20:14] <Cokemaster> Indeed
[20:14] <GZNeoTech> wb psychrn
[20:14] <tonyhughes> they cant provide bad service to say, Slingshot
[20:14] <tonyhughes> and good service to Xtra
[20:14] <ljbade> TCL beats ADSL hands down anyday
[20:14] <chiefie> exactly
[20:14] <geekbot> hey psychrn, wb :)
[20:14] <chiefie> and to ljbade too
[20:14] <tonyhughes> they will have to prove that they are treating ISPs equally
[20:14] <NokiaRocks> but they can provide bad service to all isps... which pushes the country back
[20:14] * chiefie uses cable. hehe
[20:14] <Cokemaster> They can
[20:14] <Cokemaster> But it will backfire
[20:14] <NokiaRocks> how?
[20:15] <JAMMAN_waitingtogetcalled> yes, how? lol
[20:15] <NokiaRocks> telecom make money no matter how bad the service is
[20:15] <Cokemaster> Because every ISP will complain of poor service?
[20:15] <NokiaRocks> and xtra end up fielding the complains
[20:15] <tonyhughes> the wholesale division will now be out to make as much $$$ as possible
[20:15] <chiefie> NokiaRocks, yeah but then they will be seen by public for purposely deteriorate the services
[20:15] <NokiaRocks> complaints*
[20:15] <ljbade> and the government will get agro at telecon
[20:15] <tonyhughes> by providing service to the ISPs that the end users actually want to buy
[20:15] <chiefie> NokiaRocks Xtra will be as like other ISPs
[20:15] <NokiaRocks> they dont have to deteriorate them, just not improve them
[20:15] <chiefie> why should xtra be taking the blame?
[20:16] * psychrnaway is now known as psychrn
[20:16] <tonyhughes> not improving means less charges though
[20:16] <NokiaRocks> cause if i have bad internet i ring up my isp... not telecom
[20:16] <tonyhughes> the faster the BB is, the more people will pay more for service
[20:16] <chiefie> yeah. then all ISPs will file class action case with TNZ WS for poor service
[20:16] <NokiaRocks> but whats the point in improving it when they already have the cash cow
[20:17] <NokiaRocks> why would TNZ spend money so that xtra and other isps can make MORE money
[20:17] <chiefie> who HAVE the cash cow now? or tomorrow when TNZ get splitted?
[20:17] <tonyhughes> the 3.5MB "improvement" was a reaction by TNZ to mounting public pressure, they increased the speeds at the exchange end of the deal,
[20:17] <tonyhughes> and proved they didnt have the infrastructure or the balls to support it
[20:17] <tonyhughes> but that has no bearing on todays announcement\
[20:17] <NokiaRocks> its in telecoms favour to not spend any money and just let everything stay stagnet
[20:17] <tonyhughes> only to a point
[20:17] <chiefie> NokiaRocks i think you got things mixed up, don't make yourself any more confused.
[20:18] <tonyhughes> not for more than say, 12 months
[20:18] <chiefie> now which telecom you are referring to? the WS or Ret?
[20:18] <NokiaRocks> how am i getting things mixed up?
[20:18] <tonyhughes> before needing to roll out ADSL2+
[20:18] <NokiaRocks> i refer to telecom WS as telecom and ret as xtra
[20:18] <tonyhughes> to stay ahead of mobile offerings and other Wireless ISPs like AirNet here in Hawkes Bay
[20:18] <chiefie> not necessary the RET may also include telecom landline and mobile.
[20:19] <NokiaRocks> who would pay for the adsl2 roll out though... xtra?
[20:19] <tonyhughes> if they choose to stay stagnant for too long, they know that they will pay the ultimate price of
[20:19] <Cokemaster> Wholesale
[20:19] <tonyhughes> being overtaken
[20:19] <tonyhughes> by other offerings
[20:19] <NokiaRocks> telecom would see no point in spending money for other people to make more money
[20:19] <tonyhughes> and lose end user customers
[20:19] <Cokemaster> And with LLU, other providers may choose to put their own equipment in and resell that??
[20:19] <tonyhughes> and therefore wholesale cusatomer
[20:19] <alasta> Telecom would pay for the ADSL rollout on the expectation of getting a revenue stream from Xtra and other ISPs.
[20:19] <tonyhughes> customers*
[20:19] <tonyhughes> in the process
[20:20] <chiefie> second alasta's saying.
[20:20] <NokiaRocks> but until LLU happens any split between xtra and TNZ would be useless
[20:20] <tonyhughes> welcome to the new visitors that have joined the chat
[20:20] <chiefie> TNZ WS rolls out improvement and upgrades to get RET and ISPs to join up to provide new services
[20:20] <chiefie> IF they choose so to.
[20:21] <chiefie> if an ISP isn't doing well or not provide an acceptable service, then it is that ISP at fault.
[20:21] <NokiaRocks> but telecom make money if they have improve or not
[20:21] <NokiaRocks> -have
[20:21] <chiefie> if many ISPs don't see the benefit or improvement from TNZ WS, then it will become a class action
[20:21] <chiefie> case against TNZ WS.
[20:22] <Cokemaster> Indeed
[20:22] <NokiaRocks> but isps will have the choice of putting in their own equipment with LLU
[20:22] <NokiaRocks> but until then telecom can do what they like
[20:22] <chiefie> yes, they have the choice to EXTEND FURTHER for that last mile of ADSL if they choose to
[20:22] <alasta> But LLU providers will still have to pay some sort of fee to Telecom, won't they? I mean, they still use the copper infrastructure to some extend?
[20:22] <Cokemaster> Yes, they'll rent the lines
[20:22] <NokiaRocks> but not the bandwidth
[20:23] <tonyhughes> Telecoms ability to weather storms it causes by delaying investment in infrastructure will be lessened significantly, as they will now be answerable to all ISPs that are on an equal footing with Xtra
[20:23] <NokiaRocks> i doubt xtra would kick up much of a fuss though
[20:23] <tonyhughes> Xtra wont, but its customers will
[20:23] <NokiaRocks> then its customers can leave
[20:23] <NokiaRocks> TNZ still makes money no matter what
[20:24] <tonyhughes> thats right, which is why Xtra will push hard to really shine through all this
[20:24] <NokiaRocks> why? if xtra collapses all they have to do is rebrand and start again
[20:24] <chiefie> that's fair in any business. if a company does not provide the service a customer deem to be
[20:24] <chiefie> acceptable. the customer can leave and find another provider.
[20:24] <chiefie> no one can force customer to stay.
[20:24] <tonyhughes> TNZ will always make money, cause like or not, they OWN the copper that EVERYONE (nearly) wants to use
[20:24] <chiefie> it is against consumer act.
[20:24] <ljbade> so whats the next topic?
[20:24] <NokiaRocks> all xtras assets will be in TNZ
[20:25] <Cokemaster> Ok
[20:25] <chiefie> well isn't that common? if a business failed, a new company appear although we may know that it
[20:25] <tonyhughes> alright
[20:25] <chiefie> was a collapsed company.
[20:25] <tonyhughes> prize time
[20:25] <Cokemaster> Ok
[20:25] <tonyhughes> !moderate
[20:25] <geekbot> Channel is now moderated (usually only temporary), only +v users may speak. Please PM an op if you require +v to say something.
[20:25] * geekbot sets mode: +m
[20:25] <Cokemaster> Whats up first?
[20:25] <Cokemaster> The wifi adapter?
[20:25] <tonyhughes> first prize
[20:26] <tonyhughes> is a DLINK PCMCIA WiFi laptop card
[20:26] <tonyhughes> 802.11b and g networks
[20:26] <tonyhughes> easy to set up too
[20:26] <tonyhughes> I will run a draw, myself, and geekbot and cokebot are ineligible
[20:26] <tonyhughes> !spin DLINK WiFi Card
[20:26] * Cokebot sets mode: +m
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[20:26] <Cokebot> Silence please. The room is moderated. We are starting the draw.
[20:26] <Cokebot> Spinning ... Good luck everyone
[20:26] <Cokebot> Searching for a winner for a  DLINK WiFi Card
[20:27] <Cokebot> The winner of a  DLINK WiFi Card  is  geekbot , Well Done geekbot!!
[20:27] <Cokebot> Please private message tonyhughes with your name and address details, geekbot
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[20:27] * Cokebot sets mode: -m
[20:27] <Cokemaster> Lets do that again heh
[20:27] <tonyhughes> !spin DLINK WiFi Card
[20:27] * Cokebot sets mode: +m
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[20:27] <Cokebot> Silence please. The room is moderated. We are starting the draw.
[20:27] <Cokebot> Spinning ... Good luck everyone
[20:27] <Cokebot> Searching for a winner for a  DLINK WiFi Card
[20:27] <Cokebot> The winner of a  DLINK WiFi Card  is  geekbot , Well Done geekbot!!
[20:27] <Cokebot> Please private message tonyhughes with your name and address details, geekbot
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[20:27] <tonyhughes> lol
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[20:27] <Cokemaster> Two in a row
[20:27] <Cokebot> .
[20:27] <Cokemaster> :-/
[20:27] * Cokebot sets mode: -m
[20:27] <NokiaRocks> lol
[20:27] <tonyhughes> !spin DLINK WiFi Card
[20:27] <JAMMAN_waitingtogetcalled> lol
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[20:27] <Cokebot> Silence please. The room is moderated. We are starting the draw.
[20:27] <Cokebot> Spinning ... Good luck everyone
[20:27] <Cokebot> Searching for a winner for a  DLINK WiFi Card
[20:27] <Cokebot> The winner of a  DLINK WiFi Card  is  alasta , Well Done alasta!!
[20:27] <Cokebot> Please private message tonyhughes with your name and address details, alasta
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[20:28] * Cokebot sets mode: -m
[20:28] <NokiaRocks> gutted
[20:28] <Cokemaster> There we go, well done alasta
[20:28] * chiefie congrates alasta! Well Done!
[20:28] <tonyhughes> well done alasta
[20:28] <GZNeoTech> Dongrats Alasta!
[20:28] <ljbade> geekbot is feeling lucky!
[20:28] <tonyhughes> took a while
[20:28] <alasta> Thanks, peoples.
[20:28] <GZNeoTech> Congrats even
[20:28] <tonyhughes> but we got there
[20:28] * chiefie still waiting for tonyhughes's wlan card... (LOL)
[20:28] <tonyhughes> Geekbot informs me he is unhappy at being excluded
[20:28] <NokiaRocks> i wanted it!
[20:28] <tonyhughes> lol sorry @ cheiefe
[20:28] <tonyhughes> will post yours tomorrow too
[20:28] * Randomguy (~geekzone@202-74-203-1.ue.woosh.co.nz) Quit (Quit: Bye bye)
[20:28] <tonyhughes> hmmm
[20:28] <tonyhughes> bye randomguy
[20:28] <JAMMAN_waitingtogetcalled> i wanted it more
[20:28] <chiefie> no problem. i'm still around nonetheless. :D
[20:28] <tonyhughes> just here for the prize
[20:29] <tonyhughes> bloody Woosh users
[20:29] <tonyhughes> LOL
[20:29] <GZNeoTech> LOL
[20:29] <johnr> I got last weeks prize
[20:29] <johnr> was setting it up today
[20:29] <Cokemaster> !addquote tonyhughes: bloody Woosh users
[20:29] <Cokebot> Added quote at position #118
[20:29] <johnr> GPS card
[20:29] <tonyhughes> !ban woosh_users 200
[20:29] * geekbot sets mode: +b woosh_users!*@*
[20:29] <chiefie> cool johnr how's it?
[20:29] <tonyhughes> hows it going john
[20:29] <tonyhughes> ?
[20:29] <NokiaRocks> anyone got another wlan card they want to give me? :p
[20:29] <chiefie> i haven't use my e-coupon yet.
[20:30] <tonyhughes> who wants me to give away another WiFi card? I need to hear it LOUD people..........
[20:30] <Cokemaster> Hmm
[20:30] <Cokemaster> Why not...
[20:30] <NokiaRocks> me!
[20:30] <NokiaRocks> just give it me
[20:30] * chiefie is waiting... (LOUDLY)
[20:30] <Cokemaster> Not loud enough....
[20:30] <Cokemaster> Spam guys spam!
[20:30] <alasta> Yes, I'd like to see NokiaRocks win one. He sounds like he deserves it!
[20:30] <NokiaRocks> ME!!! DAMMIT ME!!!!
[20:30] <tonyhughes> i cant hear you................
[20:30] <NokiaRocks> GIVE ME THE CARD!!!
[20:31] <GZNeoTech> Up to you Tony..
[20:31] <Cokemaster> LOL
[20:31] <NokiaRocks> I WANT THE CARD!!!!
[20:31] <chiefie> I think NokiaRocks deserves one too. he made great conversation in the discussion earlier
[20:31] <tonyhughes> lol
[20:31] * NokiaRocks seconds cheifie :p
[20:31] <tonyhughes> !moderate
[20:31] <geekbot> Channel is now moderated (usually only temporary), only +v users may speak. Please PM an op if you require +v to say something.
[20:31] * geekbot sets mode: +m
[20:31] * zaphel (~geekzone@203-97-107-24.cable.telstraclear.net) has left #geekzone
[20:31] * Cokemaster changes topic to 'Geekzone | Meeting is currently on.'
[20:31] <tonyhughes> NokiaRocks.... well done, you get a wifi card too.....
[20:31] <tonyhughes> !unmoderate
[20:31] <geekbot> Channel is now unmoderated, all users may speak regardless of +v status.
[20:31] * geekbot sets mode: -m
[20:31] <chiefie> kudos to NokiaRocks, great discussion.
[20:31] <NokiaRocks> wahoo!!!
[20:31] <GZNeoTech> no draw?
[20:31] <Cokemaster> Hmm
[20:31] <GZNeoTech> hmm
[20:31] <Chirs> blah blah blah [insert swear words]
[20:32] <tonyhughes> he REALLY wanted one LOL
[20:32] <Cokemaster> Heh
[20:32] * NokiaRocks hugs Tony
[20:32] <tonyhughes> And i never committed to doing a draw for the 2nd one LOL
[20:32] <GZNeoTech> right
[20:32] * tonyhughes and I am the boss
[20:32] <chiefie> Chirs != Chris?
[20:32] <tonyhughes> while MF is not here LOL
[20:32] * geekbot sets mode: -b woosh_users!*@*
[20:32] <tonyhughes> i will see if i have anything else to give away
[20:32] <Chirs> chiefie, me == chris
[20:32] <chiefie> so what's next topic?
[20:33] <Cokemaster> Hmm
[20:33] <Chirs> Chris != Available on nickserv
[20:33] * NokiaRocks != Chris
[20:33] <Cokemaster> Jamman has upgraded to telstraclear cable, and has found his network wide open
[20:33] <chiefie> Chirs <= Chairs?
[20:33] <Chirs> lol people have said that to me
[20:33] <NokiaRocks> really? my TCL network is closed. but we use a apple airport router
[20:33] <tonyhughes> alright another prize.......
[20:33] <chiefie> ouch.. JAMMAN_waitingtogetcalled... TCL's network is full internet, big open world.
[20:34] * Guest82967 (geekzoneir@203-109-190-111.dialup.ihug.co.nz) Quit (Quit: Bye bye)
[20:34] <tonyhughes> I have here a prize that is cursed or something.... keeps getting re-drawn
[20:34] <Cokemaster> Only need to use !spin, it will moderate for you
[20:34] <tonyhughes> Bluetake Bluetooth Access Point
[20:34] <tonyhughes> I won last time
[20:34] <chiefie> yeah, NokiaRocks, you need router to interface between the cable modem and internal network.
[20:34] <tonyhughes> got it here, love it to bits
[20:34] <tonyhughes> but really dont need it
[20:34] <Cokemaster> I won it before that lol
[20:34] <tonyhughes> as I use WiFi for everything
[20:34] <NokiaRocks> wifi rocks
[20:35] <tonyhughes> plugs into a router using ethernet
[20:35] <Cokemaster> Has a serial plug too :P
[20:35] <tonyhughes> provides bluetooth LAN access for Pocket PCs etc
[20:35] <tonyhughes> great for doing MSN from the couch
[20:35] <JAMMAN_waitingtogetcalled> thanks for your concern
[20:35] <tonyhughes> or emailing
[20:35] <chiefie> hmmm... like the sound of BT AP... but don't have BT devices except smartphone and pocketpc but
[20:35] <chiefie> got wifi anyway.
[20:35] <JAMMAN_waitingtogetcalled> im calling again in 4 minutes
[20:35] <GZNeoTech> very handy
[20:35] <NokiaRocks> whats the speed of bluetooth these days?
[20:35] <Cokemaster> Its 1mbps if I remember correctly
[20:35] <NokiaRocks> ouch!
[20:36] <alasta> Is that bluetooth 2.0?
[20:36] <NokiaRocks> i thought it was getting faster
[20:36] <tonyhughes> about 52 kilometres per hour when i drive it to the post office
[20:36] <Cokemaster> lol
[20:36] <NokiaRocks> rofl
[20:36] <chiefie> LOL @ tonyhughes
[20:36] <chiefie> my wlan card must be pretty slow one then :p
[20:36] <NokiaRocks> lol chiefie
[20:36] <Cokemaster> Doesn't work with macs bluetooth stack though :(
[20:36] <tonyhughes> http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=1261
[20:36] <tonyhughes> theres a pic and a review of it
[20:37] <NokiaRocks> get a radar detector and speeds boost up to 65 Km/h
[20:37] <GZNeoTech> nice
[20:37] <tonyhughes> !spin Bluetake Bluetooth LAN Access Point
[20:37] * Cokebot sets mode: +m
[20:37] <Cokebot> .
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[20:37] <Cokebot> ...
[20:37] <Cokebot> Silence please. The room is moderated. We are starting the draw.
[20:37] <Cokebot> Spinning ... Good luck everyone
[20:37] <Cokebot> Searching for a winner for a  Bluetake Bluetooth LAN Access Point
[20:37] <Cokebot> The winner of a  Bluetake Bluetooth LAN Access Point  is  psychrn , Well Done psychrn!!
[20:37] <Cokebot> Please private message tonyhughes with your name and address details, psychrn
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[20:37] <NokiaRocks> congrats psychrn
[20:37] <GZNeoTech> well done again psychrn!
[20:37] <tonyhughes> well done dude
[20:37] <Cokemaster> Is he heree?
[20:38] <NokiaRocks> probably not
[20:38] <Cokemaster> Well done
[20:38] <GZNeoTech> I think psychrn won last week as well?
[20:38] <tonyhughes> hopefully thats the last time this prize gets re-drawn....
[20:38] <tonyhughes> anyone know what its worth?
[20:38] <tonyhughes> $200 ?
[20:38] <NokiaRocks> $250
[20:38] <psychrn> yes im here
[20:38] <NokiaRocks> i dunno
[20:38] <tonyhughes> well done psych
[20:38] <NokiaRocks> wouldnt be cheap i would say
[20:38] <psychrn> geeze this is great
[20:39] <tonyhughes> what did you win last week psych?
[20:39] <GZNeoTech> 2 weeks in a row
[20:39] <tonyhughes> i forgot
[20:39] <Cokemaster> Hmm
[20:39] <Cokemaster> There is one prize left...
[20:39] <tonyhughes> yep
[20:39] <NokiaRocks> the phone holders?
[20:39] <tonyhughes> http://www.vajacases.com/images/smartphones/palm/Treo_650/treo_650.html
[20:40] <chiefie> anyone use Virtual Server 2005 R2?
[20:40] <NokiaRocks> i dont have a treo or an apache, so im out
[20:40] <tonyhughes> either a Treo case OR an Apache case
[20:40] <tonyhughes> no choice of style other than that
[20:40] <tonyhughes> as Mauricio already has the cases at Geek Central
[20:40] <NokiaRocks> are they pink?
[20:40] <tonyhughes> if you dont want this prize, and you are drawn, please say REDRAW or something
[20:40] <tonyhughes> i dont know
[20:40] * JAMMAN_waitingtogetcalled calling again
[20:41] <NokiaRocks> cause that would be hot
[20:41] <psychrn> a usb file transfer cable
[20:41] <GZNeoTech> that's right..
[20:41] <tonyhughes> sweet
[20:41] <tonyhughes> thats right
[20:41] <tonyhughes> !spin an Apache Case OR a Treo Case\
[20:41] * Cokebot sets mode: +m
[20:41] <Cokebot> .
[20:41] <Cokebot> ..
[20:41] <Cokebot> ...
[20:41] <Cokebot> Silence please. The room is moderated. We are starting the draw.
[20:41] <Cokebot> Spinning ... Good luck everyone
[20:41] <Cokebot> Searching for a winner for a  an Apache Case OR a Treo Case\
[20:41] <Cokebot> The winner of a  an Apache Case OR a Treo Case\  is  NokiaRocks , Well Done NokiaRocks!!
[20:41] <Cokebot> Please private message tonyhughes with your name and address details, NokiaRocks
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[20:41] <Cokebot> .
[20:41] <Cokemaster> lol
[20:41] * Cokebot sets mode: -m
[20:41] <tonyhughes> lol
[20:41] <NokiaRocks> redraw
[20:41] <Cokemaster> Ok
[20:41] <tonyhughes> !spin an Apache Case OR a Treo Case
[20:41] * Cokebot sets mode: +m
[20:41] <Cokebot> .
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[20:41] <Cokebot> ...
[20:41] <Cokebot> Silence please. The room is moderated. We are starting the draw.
[20:41] <Cokebot> Spinning ... Good luck everyone
[20:41] <Cokebot> Searching for a winner for a  an Apache Case OR a Treo Case
[20:41] <Cokebot> The winner of a  an Apache Case OR a Treo Case  is  Chirs , Well Done Chirs!!
[20:41] <Cokebot> Please private message tonyhughes with your name and address details, Chirs
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[20:42] <NokiaRocks> congrats chirs
[20:42] <GZNeoTech> well done Chirs
[20:42] <tonyhughes> well done Chirs
[20:42] <Cokemaster> :)
[20:42] <psychrn> cheers weell done
[20:42] <tonyhughes> a new visitor gets a prize
[20:42] <tonyhughes> always nice to see
[20:42] <ljbade> yes
[20:42] <Cokemaster> Lets hope he has such a device
[20:42] <NokiaRocks> lol
[20:42] <chiefie> well done chairs
[20:42] <chiefie> i mean chirs
[20:42] <NokiaRocks> he could always go out and buy one to fit inside it
[20:43] <ljbade> i like the random draw... gives everyone a chance, still a few bugs... etc. not choosing ops etc.
[20:43] <tonyhughes> hmmm
[20:43] <alasta> Maybe a Treo or Apache could be next week's prize!
[20:43] <alasta> Hehe.
[20:43] <NokiaRocks> lol
[20:43] <tonyhughes> coke is eligible for prizes
[20:43] <NokiaRocks> i wish
[20:43] <chiefie> i would like JasJar :D
[20:43] <Cokemaster> ljbade: it does choose ops
[20:43] <tonyhughes> maybe we could deop coke during draws?
[20:43] <Cokemaster> Just not itself
[20:43] <psychrn> love my jasjar
[20:43] <tonyhughes> lol @Alasta
[20:43] <NokiaRocks> love my cat
[20:43] <tonyhughes> are you donating?
[20:43] <Cokemaster> !quote 115
[20:43] <Cokebot> #115 - lokinz: ​!setjoin I renounce my Vodafone alliegence and pledge my life to Theresa Gattung || Added by - Cokemaster At this time 25/06/2006 - 09:49:42
[20:43] <Cokemaster> Oops
[20:44] <Cokemaster> !quote 117
[20:44] <Cokebot> #117 - <NokiaRocks> stop quoting me || Added by - tonyh At this time 25/06/2006 - 10:52:34
[20:44] <tonyhughes> !spin NokiaRocks' cat
[20:44] * Cokebot sets mode: +m
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[20:44] <Cokebot> Silence please. The room is moderated. We are starting the draw.
[20:44] <Cokemaster> !quote 119
[20:44] <Cokebot> #119 Does not exist, U can select 1 to 118
[20:44] <Cokebot> Spinning ... Good luck everyone
[20:44] <Cokebot> Searching for a winner for a  NokiaRocks' cat
[20:44] <Cokebot> The winner of a  NokiaRocks' cat  is  johnr , Well Done johnr!!
[20:44] <Cokebot> Please private message tonyhughes with your name and address details, johnr
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[20:44] <Cokemaster> !quote 118
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[20:44] <Cokebot> #118 - tonyhughes: bloody Woosh users || Added by - Cokemaster At this time 27/06/2006 - 08:29:27
[20:44] <tonyhughes> well done johnr
[20:44] * Cokebot sets mode: -m
[20:44] <NokiaRocks> dont give away my cat!
[20:44] <Cokemaster> Hmm
[20:44] <tonyhughes> lol
[20:44] <Cokemaster> !quote 117
[20:44] <Cokebot> #117 - <NokiaRocks> stop quoting me || Added by - tonyh At this time 25/06/2006 - 10:52:34
[20:44] <GZNeoTech> meow
[20:44] <ljbade> oops cokemaster: ment it shouldn't choose ops
[20:44] * chiefie is installing Windows Server 2003 SBS Trial onto Virtual PC 2004 SP1 Trial. LOL
[20:44] <Cokemaster> :-/
[20:44] <NokiaRocks> !quote 116
[20:44] <Cokebot> #116 - NokiaRocks licks Tony's cerebral cortex || Added by - tonyh At this time 25/06/2006 - 10:52:06
[20:44] <NokiaRocks> lol
[20:44] <tonyhughes> hmmm....lol
[20:45] <NokiaRocks> !quote 115
[20:45] <Cokebot> #115 - lokinz: ​!setjoin I renounce my Vodafone alliegence and pledge my life to Theresa Gattung || Added by - Cokemaster At this time 25/06/2006 - 09:49:42
[20:45] <ljbade> dman IRC keep forgetting toread forums...
[20:45] <tonyhughes> ohhh lokinz
[20:45] <psychrn> you can all rest easy now
[20:45] <NokiaRocks> ok, we need a 15min discussion
[20:45] <ljbade> ok
[20:45] <Cokemaster> Indeed
[20:45] <psychrn> cause im back at work next week
[20:45] <ljbade> what will we talk about?
[20:45] <NokiaRocks> vista?
[20:45] <tonyhughes> not TNZ
[20:45] <psychrn> and i wont make it often to chats
[20:45] <tonyhughes> Vista
[20:45] <tonyhughes> yes
[20:46] * tonyhughes sets mode: +nt-mislp
[20:46] * tonyhughes changes topic to 'Windows Vista'
[20:46] * JAMMAN_waitingtogetcalled called back and made a very mean and important sounding statement demanding immediate attention
[20:46] <chiefie> VS2005r2?
[20:46] <ljbade> VISTA! VISTA! VISTA! VISTA! VISTA! VISTA! VISTA!  sorry just had to do that
[20:46] <psychrn> been off on acc a month or so
[20:46] <NokiaRocks> anyone found any major faulty?
[20:46] <NokiaRocks> faults*
[20:46] <tonyhughes> I cant wait till the official retail release
[20:46] <chiefie> none majorly
[20:46] <tonyhughes> I have stopped using the beta
[20:46] <tonyhughes> no time to spend tweaking things
[20:46] <chiefie> using Vista via RDP which works great.
[20:46] <ljbade> not really, a lil bit slow but hey its not optimised yet
[20:46] <chiefie> together with Office 2007 too
[20:46] <NokiaRocks> anyone found how to stop the annoying security warnings?
[20:46] <tonyhughes> Why should a user upgrade to Office 2007
[20:47] <chiefie> same, it is a bit slow. and office 2007 on vista isn't great with speed. :S
[20:47] <tonyhughes> i have Office 2003
[20:47] <tonyhughes> whats better? whats added?
[20:47] <GZNeoTech> a little less time to play now psychrn?
[20:47] <chiefie> i like the new ribbons UI
[20:47] <psychrn> yeah
[20:47] <ljbade> 2007 is rather stalbe, outlook loads a bit slow though!
[20:47] <psychrn> although ill be on j\hols a month
[20:47] <chiefie> and new outlook 2007 is works great for me.
[20:47] <tonyhughes> !google office 2007 ribbons ui review
[20:47] <geekbot> [Google] #1 Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows: Microsoft Office 2007 Beta ... ( http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/office2007_beta2.asp )
[20:47] <geekbot> [Google] Desc: Some ribbon groups contain another new Office 2007 UI construct, ... In Part 2 of my Office 2007 Beta 2 review, I'll examine each individual Office ...
[20:47] <GZNeoTech> j\hols?
[20:48] <psychrn> cheech your messages GZ??
[20:48] <chiefie> i like the 4th pane for calendar and to do list
[20:48] <NokiaRocks> sorry guys... i gotta run
[20:48] <psychrn> holidays
[20:48] <NokiaRocks> some bastard just stole my cat
[20:48] <chiefie> and the imap purge deleted files on change folder (which is good but would rather have it as a
[20:48] <chiefie> button)
[20:48] <psychrn> eheheh
[20:48] <psychrn> I see ya DCC me
[20:49] <tonyhughes> http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/office2007_b2_01.jpg
[20:49] <NokiaRocks> catch ya guys later. cheers for a great chat session
[20:49] <tonyhughes> thanks NR
[20:49] <tonyhughes> cya
[20:49] <Cokemaster> Hmm
[20:49] <alasta> Bye NokiaRocks.
[20:49] <NokiaRocks> back in a few hours
[20:49] <Cokemaster> Well that was 'different' :)
[20:49] <Fraktul> what i miss?
[20:49] <Cokemaster> Everything
[20:49] <alasta> And, on that note, I think I'd better be moving on too. Bye everyone!
[20:49] <tonyhughes> lol @fraktul
[20:49] <ljbade> yes i like the new graphical candy in office, always pull out the stops to get a new UI for each office version
[20:49] <psychrn> cheers m8
[20:49] <GZNeoTech> night all who're leaving
[20:49] <Fraktul> damn it :P
[20:49] <Fraktul> left work late
[20:49] <tonyhughes> read the chat log on GZ afterwards
[20:50] * alasta (~geekzone@203-211-78-197.ue.woosh.co.nz) Quit (Quit: )
[20:50] <tonyhughes> probably our busiest chat yet
[20:50] <Fraktul> i'll just scroll up
[20:50] <Cokemaster> If your buffer is that long :)
[20:50] <tonyhughes> some clients dont keep all history
[20:50] <Fraktul> takes so long on vnc though
[20:50] <ljbade> hmm does narrator work with irc?
[20:50] <Fraktul> i log everything anyhow :P
[20:50] <tonyhughes> test
[20:51] <GZNeoTech> I'm gonna head off too.. wife's off to work at 3:30am and I wake up when she does
[20:51] <Fraktul> everyone say incriminating things!
[20:51] <ljbade> doesnt work
[20:51] <tonyhughes> narrator does not read irc window
[20:51] <psychrn> trillian has a good history
[20:51] <Fraktul> GZNeoTech: tell her to sleep on the couch!
[20:51] <Fraktul> ;)
[20:51] <GZNeoTech> I wake up by choice.. :)
[20:51] * tonyhughes is a sleepaholic
[20:52] * tonyhughes is now known as tonyh
[20:52] <GZNeoTech> make sure she's not mugged on the way out
[20:52] <Fraktul> ditto
[20:52] <ljbade> i member when i got narrator to sing 99 bottles of beer during class.... tht made me ROFL
[20:52] <tonyh> lol
[20:52] <psychrn> hahahah
[20:52] <tonyh> did you get in big trouble?
[20:52] <ljbade> sorta
[20:52] <tonyh> !own ljbade
[20:52] <geekbot> OMG!!! ROFLCOPTER111111111one33se7en - ljbade just got OWNED... http://ljbade.justgotowned.com
[20:52] <GZNeoTech> night all
[20:52] <tonyh> night GZNT
[20:52] <JAMMAN_waitingtogetcalled> bye
[20:53] * NokiaRocks (~askdba@222-152-80-14.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[20:53] <tonyh> !ban peer 500 dont reset connections
[20:53] <ljbade> i tink narrator got to 80 bottles before the teacher unplugged the speakers
[20:53] * geekbot sets mode: +b peer!*@*
[20:53] * chiefie (~chiefie@203-97-119-124.cable.telstraclear.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[20:53] <tonyh> lol
[20:53] * GZNeoTech (~TheTechni@203-173-166-127.bliink.ihug.co.nz) Quit (Quit: ciao fer now)
[20:53] <Cokemaster> Hmm
[20:53] <tonyh> hmmm
[20:53] <Cokemaster> Well with that
[20:53] <tonyh> sna
[20:53] <Cokemaster> I'll be back
[20:53] <tonyh> p
[20:54] <tonyh> geekbot due to do stats in a minute
[20:54] <ljbade> peer? who was he?
[20:54] <tonyh> a.co.nz] has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[20:54] <tonyh> no one
[20:54] * tonyh is a fruit loop
[20:54] <ljbade> ok....
[20:54] <psychrn> better come see me then tonyh
[20:55] <ljbade> 5mins left
[20:55] <ljbade> wot to chat bout
[20:55] <psychrn> whats for dinner
[20:55] <tonyh> Samsung A900
[20:55] <tonyh> cool phone :-)
[20:55] * tonyh had Dominoes
[20:55] <psychrn> yum]
[20:55] <tonyh> 1 x Chicken Bacon Onion Classic Crust
[20:55] <psychrn> even yummir
[20:55] <tonyh> 1 x Pepperoni, Decadence base
[20:56] <ljbade> who here has read Eragon and Eldest by Christopher Paolini?
[20:56] <JAMMAN_waitingtogetcalled> you stole my pizza!
[20:56] * tonyh still has NO kitchen
[20:56] * tonyh hasnt read those
[20:56] <psychrn> me neither
[20:56] <tonyh> your pizza?
[20:57] <tonyh> next you will be telling me that jamman is intelligent
[20:57] <geekbot> Now you are just being ridiculous tonyh - please refrain.
[20:57] <geekbot> mIRCStats update for #geekzone started
[20:57] <ljbade> hehe
[20:57] <geekbot> QuickStats by mIRCStats - The most active people for the last 5 days: Cokemaster: 1722 lines, JAMMAN2110: 1527, tonyhughes: 1226, NokiaRocks: 542, geekbot: 496, lokinz: 399, psychrn: 383, Cokebot: 306, Chirs: 186, Chiefie: 171
[20:57] <geekbot> New stats available for #geekzone! Check out the stats at http://www.geekzone.co.nz/ircstats/
[20:57] <ljbade> anyway there is a movie and game on Eragon comming out december
[20:57] * Fraktul ordered pizza hutt the other night through their new web page, quite good but no half'n half selectin anymore
[20:58] * Fraktul will ring and complain
[20:58] <Chirs> lol
[20:58] <Chirs> dial 511 and do it
[20:58] * JAMMAN_waitingtogetcalled WANTS TELSTRA CLEAR TO CALL THE F*** BACK!
[20:58] <Fraktul> whats 511
[20:58] <JAMMAN_waitingtogetcalled> 511 is an awesome number
[20:58] <tonyh> from the stats page [18:12] <JAMMAN2110> lol nah i dont screw sheep i just blow them :P lol
[20:58] <JAMMAN_waitingtogetcalled> dial and see
[20:58] <Fraktul> how about no
[20:58] <JAMMAN_waitingtogetcalled> i called them 3 times today its automated no ppl dw
[20:58] <Chirs> lol
[20:59] <Chirs> yeah, people are annoying huh
[20:59] <Chirs> especially ones that don't speak english
[20:59] <Chirs> or broken englishg
[20:59] <ljbade> http://www.eragonmovie.com http://www.eragongame.com
[21:00] <tonyh> thanks for coming to the offical GZ chat guys. chat logging ends nowm, feel free to stick around and chat till the wee hours!